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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #10 - May 13th, 2019 at 6:06am
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Patrick is correct here. Modern conservatives favor small govt, individual liberty, fewer regulations and ties between govt and business.

Along the spectrum, as you move from a small govts socially liberal tea party conservative toward socialism, govt ownership of all business, a left wing approach, fascism would fall much closer to the left wing approach.

There is a reason Goldman Sachs pays hillary hundreds of thousands for a talk and its not for some great hidden finankcial skill set.
  
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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #11 - May 13th, 2019 at 11:43am
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petep wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 6:06am:
Patrick is correct here. Modern conservatives favor small govt, individual liberty, fewer regulations and ties between govt and business.

Perhaps but they are also quite willing to put these principles aside when it comes to personal morality, who you want to marry, what you want to smoke or ingest, who you want to trade with, rent to or hire...
  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofacsism
Reply #12 - May 13th, 2019 at 11:54am
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JohnnyBLate wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 6:03am:
There is debate on what fascism is. I do see as one man/leader with all the power. But it has been debated on what it truly is. So like some he can have a opinion. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the left, but its not fascism. Communism would be a better slam. 

A good point.
  

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Reply #13 - May 13th, 2019 at 2:17pm
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Another crock of shit from the con artist brigade.
  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #14 - May 13th, 2019 at 3:14pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 11:43am:
Perhaps but they are also quite willing to put these principles aside when it comes to personal morality, who you want to marry, what you want to smoke or ingest, who you want to trade with, rent to or hire...


Where do you get that crap?  The late number 1 conservative, Bill Buckley, was pro-marijuana.  It's LIBERALS who want to control food - AOC saying cows should be banned - remember, remember?  LIBERALS want you to hire based on race, not merit.
  
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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #15 - May 13th, 2019 at 3:18pm
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patrick2 wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 3:14pm:
Where do you get that crap?  The late number 1 conservative, Bill Buckley, was pro-marijuana.  It's LIBERALS who want to control food - AOC saying cows should be banned - remember, remember?  LIBERALS want you to hire based on race, not merit.
I get it from Trump folks. From people such as yourself.

Everything I mentioned applies to your positions on trade, marriage, immigration and drugs.
  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofacsism
Reply #16 - May 13th, 2019 at 3:51pm
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Maestro wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 7:14pm:
Ok, so I read that and thought, "Surely this was taken out of context." So, I found the quote. Here is is.

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Ok, there's a lot there. I'll start with the more unobjectional and work my way up.

1. She called the Holocaust a "tragedy." Ok, I think most of us agree there.

2.The persecution of the Jews was, in her words, "horrific." All right. Most of us agree there too.

3. She gives her ancestors credit for providing the home for the Jews (and "loves" the fact that they did so), even though she admits it was done against their wishes. This is...odd.

4. She gets a "calming feeling" when thinking of the Holocaust. I can't make any sense of this. I seriously have no idea what she means. The context of the paragraph doesn't help me at all.

5. Can you imagine if Trump had said it? The sound of everyone jumping across the aisle to change their opinion would be deafening. 




I would guess that Tlaib's "calming feeling" comes from her view that her ancestors helped to redress the horror of the Holocaust, voluntarily or not. In a sense, the Palestinians were collateral damage from the Holocaust.


  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #17 - May 13th, 2019 at 4:46pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 3:18pm:
I get it from Trump folks. From people such as yourself.

Everything I mentioned applies to your positions on trade, marriage, immigration and drugs.


There you go again - in support of "free trade" you would do nothing in the face of China using every trick in the book in trade against the US.  You think intellectual property theft is "free trade".   Grin
  
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Reply #18 - May 13th, 2019 at 4:49pm
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Ulysses wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 3:51pm:
I would guess that Tlaib's "calming feeling" comes from her view that her ancestors helped to redress the horror of the Holocaust, voluntarily or not. In a sense, the Palestinians were collateral damage from the Holocaust.




RIGHT, when the arabs attacked Israel countless times since 1948, they were "redressing the horror of the Holocaust".  Many arabs actually have spoke approvingly of hitler and the Holocaust.   There you go again with your incessant comments which turn reality upside down.
  
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Re: A new element in liberal neofacsism
Reply #19 - May 13th, 2019 at 5:03pm
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patrick2 wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 4:49pm:
RIGHT, when the arabs attacked Israel countless times since 1948, they were "redressing the horror of the Holocaust".  Many arabs actually have spoke approvingly of hitler and the Holocaust.   There you go again with your incessant comments which turn reality upside down.


Other way round, actually. Hitler courted the Arabs, both to oppose the nascent state of Israel as well as make inroads into traditional English and French hegemony.

If you recall history, the Brits did the same thing with some American Indian tribes to try to get them to fight the American colonists in rebellion.
  

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