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Re: A new element in liberal neofacsism
Reply #20 - May 13th, 2019 at 6:33pm
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Ulysses wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 3:51pm:
I would guess that Tlaib's "calming feeling" comes from her view that her ancestors helped to redress the horror of the Holocaust, voluntarily or not. In a sense, the Palestinians were collateral damage from the Holocaust.




Ulysses, you have to admit it's a freaking bizarre turn of phrase to refer to the Holocaust.

I'm a Northern white guy. I'm sure some of my ancestors died to help end slavery in this country.

But not in a million years would I say American slavery gave me a calm feeling.

Even you have to guess at what she means.

I don't think the gassing of Jews relaxes her, but still, this is a horrible way to express herself.
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Re: A new element in liberal neofacsism
Reply #21 - May 13th, 2019 at 6:49pm
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Maestro wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 6:33pm:
Ulysses, you have to admit it's a freaking bizarre turn of phrase to refer to the Holocaust.

I'm a Northern white guy. I'm sure some of my ancestors died to help end slavery in this country.

But not in a million years would I say American slavery gave me a clam feeling.

Even you have to guess at what she means.

I don't think the gassing of Jews relaxes her, but still, this is a horrible way to express herself.


I hope I never get one of your "clam feelings", either...

  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofacsism
Reply #22 - May 13th, 2019 at 6:54pm
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Ulysses wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 6:49pm:
I hope I never get one of your "clam feelings", either...



Ha!

Point: Ulysses

I'll fix it now.
  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofacsism
Reply #23 - May 14th, 2019 at 9:17am
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patrick2 wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 2:26am:
A tragedy that makes her calm when she thinks about it.  My jewish gf's great uncle died in the Holocaust.  Ask her how "calm" she feels thinking about that.



Besides being a self-contradiction (you get a cookie for recognizing it  Roll Eyes) it is a typical islamofascist distortion of history.  The Zionist jews began moving to the area (a Turkish territory) in the late nineteenth century when it was almost empty land except for an occasional nomad.  After jews started improving the land, Hashemite arabs (the "Palestinians") started moving in.  Conflict between the jews and arabs started in the 1880s.  By the time of the immediate post WW2 era, the arabs were in a full-tilt civil war against the jews.  The idea that they were "creating a safe haven" for jews is probably the most infamous historical lie I've ever read!  Then when the hapless Brits, who got the area as a mandate after WW1, bailed out, seven arab armies immediately attacked.



You left out the massacres, Arab on Jew and Jew on Arab, and the terrorism against the British by both but mostly the Jews.

But now terrorism is a Bad Thing according to the Israelis,  which seems surprisingly hypocritical.


It's fun to take sides when it's only football,  but ignoring important elements in a narrative because of partisanship is silly; especially when,  like you, one becomes a buyable vote for a cynical politician who can dog whistle you. "Hey! We're going to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital! You like that? Don't you! Yeah, good puppy!!! Vote for me and wag your little tail!"


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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #24 - May 14th, 2019 at 9:41am
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TowardLiberty wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 11:43am:
Perhaps but they are also quite willing to put these principles aside when it comes to personal morality, who you want to marry, what you want to smoke or ingest, who you want to trade with, rent to or hire...


I disagree - I think you are thinking of a 1940-1970 era conservative stereotype...starting with reagan limited gov't and socially liberal conservative mvt was born...

fast forward to tea party conservatives and you have people that support gay rights, pot, small gov't, less regulation...

I don't know any conservatives today that are not that way...

I know many on the left that are pro large gov't, more regulations, and can't wait to tell you how to act, behave, believe, eat etc.. etc...todays left are not the left from the 1960's..

when NYC's leaders were telling people what size soft drinks they could buy, it was conservatives who were upset with gov't overreach, and this move had great support from the left...as one simple example..

(and all this is not to say there are not some wild wacky evangelical conservatives today that don't fit the 50's mold...they are just leftover from the past...and few...



  
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Re: A new element in liberal neofacsism
Reply #25 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:11am
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atreyu wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 6:46pm:
I guess the part I missed was you being brainwashed by KKK talking points AND also not understanding what fascism is.


stop simply using Wikipedia for the self defined definition of the Wikipedia users.


try more...

" As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie. Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism. "

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions. "
https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

It is far too simplistic and wrong to put believe that Fascism represents a right wing or left wing philosophy. It's purely about Stateism and control of the masses by a central government.
  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #26 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:32am
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petep wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:41am:
I think you are thinking of a 1940-1970 era conservative stereotype...starting with reagan limited gov't and socially liberal conservative mvt was born...



This wacky and emotional notion that Republican ideology changed is just stupid..  It cant happen.

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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #27 - May 14th, 2019 at 11:34am
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" As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: "

https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #28 - May 14th, 2019 at 12:45pm
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patrick2 wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 6:26pm:
The leftwing hatred of and action against Christians doesn't need any repeating.

The anti-Semitism, always sort of subtle, has now become explicit and intense:

Rep. Rashida Tlaib, D-Mich., said that thinking about the Holocaust gave her "kind of a calming feeling."


I love the part where you think I believe YOU care about us Jews.
  
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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #29 - May 15th, 2019 at 10:59am
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patrick2 wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 4:46pm:
There you go again - in support of "free trade" you would do nothing in the face of China using every trick in the book in trade against the US.  You think intellectual property theft is "free trade".   Grin

There you go again- using China's wealth destroying policies as an excuse to tax our own citizens more.

Regarding intellectual property rights- I'm not a big fan- I share the view that these are grants of monopoly privilege.

With that said, even if they are valid, the Chinese are not legally required to follow US law.
  

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