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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #40 - May 15th, 2019 at 5:24pm
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Fiddler wrote on May 15th, 2019 at 4:31pm:
Yes because the 1s and 0s that facilitated your typing of that spontaneously appeared out of thin air..



You are free to expend your labor building your own plow (a plow is an idea) but you are not free to steal the labor I put into building mine.

You are free to expend your labor coding your own spreadsheet (a spreadsheet is an idea) but you are not free to steal the labor I put into coding mine.


One could replicate your ideas without stealing your labor. Ideas are not rival in their use.
  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #41 - May 15th, 2019 at 5:30pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on May 15th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
So true.

For all the of the fearmongering on one-world government (justifiable in its own right at face value), conservative champions of Intellectual Property sure seem to wish for a global governing body enforcing property rights on ideas, 1s and 0s, and sounds.

It's funny. These are the folks who thought undocumented immigrants on US soil were not subject to US laws, for want of US citizenship, yet apparently also think Chinese workers on the other side of the world are guilty of breaking US IP law.

  

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Reply #42 - May 15th, 2019 at 6:01pm
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it's important to remember you can't patent an idea...it must be put into practice...
  
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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #43 - May 15th, 2019 at 6:19pm
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petep wrote on May 15th, 2019 at 6:01pm:
it's important to remember you can't patent an idea...it must be put into practice...

Sure but other people putting the idea to practice is the issue. It's not a question of stealing tangible items. It's the idea itself that is claimed stolen when someone remixes or replicates it.
  

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Reply #44 - May 15th, 2019 at 6:34pm
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The weirdest part of capitalism is private ownership of ideas.
  

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Reply #45 - May 15th, 2019 at 6:43pm
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petep wrote on May 15th, 2019 at 4:32pm:
I agree with limey here - you can't conflate being against a "one world gov't" with some agreed upon or negotiated "rules of business" that happen to cross borders...

if the free mkt thought and proved more money could be made by having no property rights then that's what would happen...

we have many open source platforms....just no one makes money with it...to speak of anyway...

I do have some ideas how open source and making money could work...but it would be a "fluid, constantly changing company" model, where individuals don't work for a company, they work on projects toward success and are rewarded that way, based on their contributions...with todays technology it'd be easy to deploy...pretty neat actually...a bit like some of the freelance marketing models for artwork/stock photography etc.


Woh now, that's totally untrue.  BIG money is made with open source platforms.  Ever heard of Redhat?



  
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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #46 - May 15th, 2019 at 6:44pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on May 15th, 2019 at 5:24pm:
One could replicate your ideas without stealing your labor. Ideas are not rival in their use.


Absolutely wrong.

Work goes in to research.


Work goes in to experimentation.


All those failed attempts at a light bulb filament,  Edison was paying people and for materials,  rent, power....


If you set up the Libertarian Light Bulb Factory on ideas stolen from the Edison lab, it's no better than if you stole the glass blowing equipment and the generator.
  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #47 - May 15th, 2019 at 6:46pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on May 15th, 2019 at 5:30pm:
It's funny. These are the folks who thought undocumented immigrants on US soil were not subject to US laws, for want of US citizenship, yet apparently also think Chinese workers on the other side of the world are guilty of breaking US IP law.




Not the workers; those profiting from the stolen intellectual labour elsewhere,  and by the by the forced labour of the Chinese serf.
  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #48 - May 15th, 2019 at 7:00pm
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Limey. wrote on May 15th, 2019 at 6:46pm:
Not the workers; those profiting from the stolen intellectual labour elsewhere,  and by the by the forced labour of the Chinese serf.

Ok but those Chinese who own businesses there are also not subject to US laws.

And if the Chinese are serfs now, praise serfdom, for look at the income gains that have accrued for the average Chinese person over the last 20-30 years.

It's staggering.
  

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Re: A new element in liberal neofascism
Reply #49 - May 15th, 2019 at 7:04pm
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atreyu wrote on May 15th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
Woh now, that's totally untrue.  BIG money is made with open source platforms.  Ever heard of Redhat?





I use redhat linux with raspberry pi platforms/MMDVM boards so I am very familiar with it...but that is not the same as an open source product on its own that is for sale..people are using it to build something else...then that something else may be for sale and that something else cannot be copied.

  
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