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Reply #50 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 11:25am
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KSU_Aviator wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 9:17am:
I saw that, but that's his opinion. If he would only read the words he wrote above he'd be hard pressed to back his claim of welfare. Welfare implies that something is gained for nothing. But there is no pay for no work.


Umm.... No...

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welfare 

noun

1 : the state of doing well especially in respect to good fortune, happiness, well-being, or prosperity
//must look out for your own welfare
 

2a : aid in the form of money or necessities for those in need   

b : an agency or program through which such aid is distributed


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/welfare

Welfare to land owners and businessmen you seem to be OK with.

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Re: - now that tariffs are proving to work will Presidential candidates support tariffs?
Reply #51 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 11:32am
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 11:25am:
Umm.... No...


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/welfare

Welfare to land owners and businessmen you seem to be OK with.

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You almost got it. Welfare to Republicans. Just more of their hypocrisy.
  
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Reply #52 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:08pm
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KSU_Aviator wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 9:17am:
I saw that, but that's his opinion. If he would only read the words he wrote above he'd be hard pressed to back his claim of welfare. Welfare implies that something is gained for nothing. But there is no pay for no work.

It seems to be an opinion you agree with for you shared the article.

I don't know of any words which would question the status of bailouts or subsidies as welfare for the rich.
  

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Reply #53 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:13pm
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Free access to the vast US market is a terrific thing for many countries, and if they don't do it fairly, they should be shut out.
  
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:13pm:
Free access to the vast US market is a terrific thing for many countries, and if they don't do it fairly, they should be shut out.

Translation: we should control who our citizens trade with.

So much for laissez faire. So much for liberty.

This is nothing if not a call for big government.
  

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TowardLiberty wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:31pm:
Translation: we should control who are citizens trade with.

So much for laissez faire. So much for liberty.

This is nothing if not a call for big government.



Libertarian version of "liberty":  A F--ks over B, and it's OK.   Smiley
  
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:34pm:
Libertarian version of "liberty":  A F--ks over B, and it's OK. 

Freedom of exchange is an essential element of anyone's liberty and it used to be important to conservatives. Now, not so much.

  

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Reply #57 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:37pm
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In my mind tariffs are like having a really good right hook. You don’t want to use them but if you have a trading partner that is using them and it puts you at a severe disadvantage you can threaten to use them back.

Ultimately tariffs are nothing but a way for govt to insert itself between producers and consumers with a toll booth that adds artificial cost.

I’d be shocked if trump has long term goals to keep tariffs in place. If I were a reporter I’d be asking that question.
  
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Reply #58 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:41pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:35pm:
Freedom of exchange is an essential element of anyone's liberty and it used to be important to conservatives. Now, not so much.




Yaaaa, the good old days when we were cool with intellectual property theft!  Smiley
  
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petep wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:37pm:
In my mind tariffs are like having a really good right hook. You don’t want to use them but if you have a trading partner that is using them and it puts you at a severe disadvantage you can threaten to use them back.


Even then, they don't really make any sense when you understand tariffs as a tax on your own economy. There is a strategic case to be made for unilateral free trade regardless of what other people do.

For we're not in the business of making the perfect the enemy of the good. If other nations want to undermine their economic growth, that in and of itself is no argument for mimicking them.

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Ultimately tariffs are nothing but a way for govt to insert itself between producers and consumers with a toll booth that adds artificial cost.

I’d be shocked if trump has long term goals to keep tariffs in place. If I were a reporter I’d be asking that question.

I'd be shocked if Trump didn't view tariffs as something to keep in place over the long term. The arguments used to justify them are just the sorts of arguments a committed protectionists would make. He has shown no signs of viewing tariffs as causing some necessary but temporary pain. He talks about them as if they were good for the economy.  He's a "tariff man."
  

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