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Reply #90 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 6:04pm
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KSU_Aviator wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
Insurance isn't socialism. You should really look up what ag subs are.


That's not what I've been told time and time again by right wingers.
  
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Reply #91 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 7:05pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:23pm:
Nonsense.


Yet you have never been able to provide an example of a product class that has stifled innovation. You tried using epilepsy and I posted a great article on why it hasn’t been displaced.
  
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Re: - now that tariffs are proving to work will Presidential candidates support tariffs?
Reply #92 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 7:31pm
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petep wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
Yet you have never been able to provide an example of a product class that has stifled innovation. You tried using epilepsy and I posted a great article on why it hasn’t been displaced.

I've never mentioned epilepsy on these boards. Not once. But I do cite the EpiPen as a fantastic example of IP hobbling progress.

Product classes don't stile innovations, patents do.

Patent trolls are known to stifle innovation. And they troll many classes of products.
  

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Reply #93 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 9:07pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
I've never mentioned epilepsy on these boards. Not once. But I do cite the EpiPen as a fantastic example of IP hobbling progress.

Product classes don't stile innovations, patents do.

Patent trolls are known to stifle innovation. And they troll many classes of products.


My auto spell mistake. I think you used epi pen as an example.
  
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Reply #94 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 11:07pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:58pm:
Theft is the engine of progress?   Smiley

No, innovation stops when people see it's pointless to innovate because someone will steal your idea and get away with it.


That's ridiculous.  People are always innovating ways to make their lives easier.  Most of the time in fact it isn't about making millions of dollars in profit.
  

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Wadsworth wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 9:18am:
Regulations are designed to protect the consumer and the worker.  If it doesn’t,it is not a regulation.



"Watched it.  A shotgun is for long ranged shooting.  That is why hunters like them.  An AR-15 is not.  That video was misleading.
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Reply #95 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 11:25pm
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The idea that we are getting ripped off is also ridiculous.

Idiot:  "OMG I'm getting ripped off when I buy cheap chinese goods!"

Idiot goes to the store, over and over and over and over again buying those same goods.

Idiot:  "I'm so getting ripped off!  Argggegege!!@@!"

Me:  "Why do you keep going and buying the same stuff, over and over again, if you feel that you are getting ripped off?"

Idiot:  "Cuz I'm a dumbass and will continue to buy that crap until Trump makes me stop!"

Me: "Okie dokie then."
  

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Wadsworth wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 9:18am:
Regulations are designed to protect the consumer and the worker.  If it doesn’t,it is not a regulation.



"Watched it.  A shotgun is for long ranged shooting.  That is why hunters like them.  An AR-15 is not.  That video was misleading.
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Re: - now that tariffs are proving to work will Presidential candidates support tariffs?
Reply #96 - Jun 14th, 2019 at 8:18pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 11:25am:
Umm.... No...


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/welfare

Welfare to land owners and businessmen you seem to be OK with.

Greg


It isn't aid. It is insurance. Welfare comes for nothing. Insurance is bought against risk.
  


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Reply #97 - Jun 14th, 2019 at 8:24pm
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KSU_Aviator wrote on Jun 14th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
It isn't aid. It is insurance. Welfare comes for nothing. Insurance is bought against risk.

Good lord, man. Are you really arguing that farm subsidies aren't corporate welfare?
  

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Reply #98 - Jun 14th, 2019 at 8:27pm
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KSU_Aviator wrote on Jun 14th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
It isn't aid. It is insurance. Welfare comes for nothing. Insurance is bought against risk.


KSU_Aviator wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 10:50pm:
Try reading the truth:

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The federal government spends more than $20 billion a year on subsidies for farm businesses. About 39 percent of the nation's 2.1 million farms receive subsidies, with the lion's share of the handouts going to the largest producers of corn, soybeans, wheat, cotton, and rice.

The government protects farmers against fluctuations in prices, revenues, and yields. It subsidizes their conservation efforts, insurance coverage, marketing, export sales, research, and other activities. Federal aid for crop farmers is deep and comprehensive.

However, agriculture is no riskier than many other industries, and it does not need an array of federal subsidies. Farm subsidies are costly to taxpayers, but they also harm the economy and the environment. Subsidies discourage farmers from innovating, cutting costs, diversifying their land use, and taking other actions needed to prosper in the competitive economy.

President Donald Trump has proposed modest reforms to farm programs, but the longer-term goal should be to repeal all farm subsidies.

All of these subsidies ensure that farm incomes are much higher than the incomes of most Americans. Farm programs are welfare for the well-to-do, and they induce overproduction, inflate land prices, and harm the environment. They should be repealed, and farmers should support themselves in the marketplace.


https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/agriculture/subsidies

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Re: - now that tariffs are proving to work will Presidential candidates support tariffs?
Reply #99 - Jun 15th, 2019 at 12:43pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jun 14th, 2019 at 8:24pm:
Good lord, man. Are you really arguing that farm subsidies aren't corporate welfare?


Yes. I think he is.

But those subsidies also have an effect on food prices.  We just can't seem to decide which way.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/do-farm-policies-make-foo_b_594030
  

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