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Reply #10 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:41pm
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Vypr wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:12pm:
For you, initially, the ends justified the means. I'm sure that's how you explained it to yourself. Too much bullshit from Scott Adams fertilizing the seeds planted in your field by the likes of Jason Lewis and others. In your little journey, you went from shitting on him and his supporters, rightfully indicating he is their chosen dictator, to criticizing NOTHING and defending pretty much EVERYTHING he does. I personally don't care if you support Trump. Even RWB will criticize him. Jasmine criticizes him. Bert criticizes him. But you defend him with the zeal of a religious convert. It is a fairly common occurrence, for someone who switches ideologies to completely repudiate their past words, actions and positions. If you simply decided that Trump accomplishes certain things important to you (stopping international military actions, etc.) and you are willing to tolerate the bad parts, that would be one thing. I would expect a balanced discussion and acknowledgement that your previous observations of him STILL STAND at least in part, and that you hold your nose in supporting him because you have come to hate the alternative more. That would be fine. But instead, you, admin and Stu are BY FAR the most reliable Trump defenders/apologists on the board. You do everything in your power to be his #1 apologist on this board. You went from skeptic and critic to zealot.




Que, you just had your rear end handed to you. You now lack credibility, so whatever your reasons are, they no longer matter.

You used to be such an independent-minded contributor to this board, but you have chosen the easy path, the path that requires you to do what you are told. Seawolf! You did it. You got one, so all your religious brainwashing has finally paid off. Kudos to you.

We are literally seeing statistics in motion right in front of our eyes.
  
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Re: Trump is the monster created by irresponsible right wing rhetoric.
Reply #11 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:51pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:41pm:
Que, you just had your rear end handed to you. You now lack credibility, so whatever your reasons are, they no longer matter.

You used to be such an independent-minded contributor to this board, but you have chosen the easy path, the path that requires you to do what you are told. Seawolf! You did it. You got one, so all your religious brainwashing has finally paid off. Kudos to you.

We are literally seeing statistics in motion right in front of our eyes.


This post comes pretty close to "the reason" right here.  God damn this was a fun one to read.

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Re: Trump is the monster created by irresponsible right wing rhetoric.
Reply #12 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:54pm
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Queshank wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:40pm:
First let me get this out of the way.

"You said LONG ago you were going to post up your full personal political platform and you never did it."

Well to be honest, I guess I just forgot.  The people I give a shit about on these boards I've been talking to for nearly 2 decades.  They know where I stand and what my ideology is.  They don't need me to educate them on the basics.

But I've been thinking about an A-Z on politics for the low information voter.  I'll work on that starting with A for abortion since that's topical. 

Your "why" is because I've converted to some religion apparently?

But it's based on complete nonsense.

For example you say this:

It is a fairly common occurrence, for someone who switches ideologies to completely repudiate their past words, actions and positions.

There's two errors in that.

1- The idea that I've "switched ideologies."  I haven't.

2- I do not repudiate any of my past words, actions and positions.   For example .. I stand behind every one of those quotes you keep quoting me on.  If you can find a quote from me where I've "repudiated" any of my past words, actions and positions that'd be great.  You spend so much time digging through my back catalogue ... should be easy for you, right?

I appreciate that you agree with me so much that you put them in your sig lines.  I'm always entertained when I see you carrying me around with you, helping people understand where I'm coming from.  I have no argument with any of those comments.  I am ... as always ... right in every single one of them.  Do you disagree?

Queshank

Actions speak. You say nothing bad about Trump since whatever revelation/conversion consumed you in late 2015/2016. Whatever your prior comments, the things you post today bear ZERO similarity, other than you flipped your attacks to point in a different direction and now you defend your guy with real zeal. You bought into the program and baby, you are going to sell it! You criticize nothing and defend everything with respect to Trump. If those prior comments were solidly your current opinion you wouldn't have created a thread to explain and spin them. You couldn't let it go though, because they stand in such contrast to your current slavish obeisance to all things Trump. It bugged you enough to have to spin it. That's enough for me.
  

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Re: Trump is the monster created by irresponsible right wing rhetoric.
Reply #13 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:59pm
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Vypr wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:54pm:
Actions speak. You say nothing bad about Trump since whatever revelation/conversion consumed you in late 2015/2016. Whatever your prior comments, the things you post today bear ZERO similarity, other than you flipped your attacks to point in a different direction and now you defend your guy with real zeal. You bought into the program and baby, you are going to sell it! You criticize nothing and defend everything with respect to Trump. If those prior comments were solidly your current opinion you wouldn't have created a thread to explain and spin them. You couldn't let it go though, because they stand in such contrast to your current slavish obeisance to all things Trump. It bugged you enough to have to spin it. That's enough for me.


Where am I spinning?  You keep saying I 'have to spin it.' But in my very first post I said this:

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Trump is the monster created by irresponsible right wing rhetoric.  He absorbed it all and capitalized on it and played it and the right wing base to win the presidency.


Where's the spin?

It gives me a great deal of entertainment that you dug up those quotes and literally carry them around with you to help me hammer home my message.  That *is* what I think of Trump.  Still do.  Haven't changed at all.  One of the reasons I started this thread is in hopes that you would dig up more.  And you have.  Keep going man.  Keep going.  I'm not trolling or joking.  You'll find enlightenment there if you're so inclined.

What program have I bought into?  I'm still anti war, pro choice, pro gay rights, pro single payer health insurance and pro open borders.  You can find posts on most of that from me just in the past couple of weeks if you weren't cherry picking data.  There's another breadcrumb for you Vypr.  Go man go. 

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Re: Trump is the monster created by irresponsible right wing rhetoric.
Reply #14 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 5:04pm
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Queshank wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 1:58pm:
Vypr loves to run around sharing my observations on Trump as if they mean something.  I noticed his new sig is another observation I made during the primaries.

Trump is the monster created by irresponsible right wing rhetoric.  He absorbed it all and capitalized on it and played it and the right wing base to win the presidency.

What Vypr is ignoring are the inevitable monsters left wing rhetoric started trying to create in the 2016 election.  There's a lot of people on the left ignoring that rhetoric or thinking it's reasonable and not irresponsible.  There were on the right too.

I mean do you really think I would say and (still) think all this about Trump ... and yet proclaim my intent to vote for him because the left has become worse if I truly didn't think so?  At worse you'd think I'd simply sit out the 2020 election like I did the 2016 election.

But no... I think my vote for Trump in 2020 might be the most important vote I've ever made in my life. Queshank


Q, we are glad to hear that you are voting for the "monster" in 2020. That's the only sane thing to do.

But why the over the top hyperbole? "Monster"? "Irresponsible right-wing rhetoric"?

Trump made clear promises during the campaign and he's tried to stick with those as much as possible, making him more reliably conservative than almost any president in our lifetimes.  Is he "monstrous" because he tweets and fights back when attacked?
Because he's more bombastic than professorial?

Monsters DO exist, by the way, but they tend to all work at abortion clinics.

And what "irresponsible right-wing rhetoric" are you talking about? Conservative voices are little more than a finger in the d**e while the entire dam crumbles around you.

Please elaborate.

  

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Reply #15 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 5:23pm
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PaleoCon wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 5:04pm:
Q, we are glad to hear that you are voting for the "monster" in 2020. That's the only sane thing to do.

But why the over the top hyperbole? "Monster"? "Irresponsible right-wing rhetoric"?

Trump made clear promises during the campaign and he's tried to stick with those as much as possible, making him more reliably conservative than almost any president in our lifetimes.  Is he "monstrous" because he tweets and fights back when attacked?
Because he's more bombastic than professorial?

Monsters DO exist, by the way, but they tend to all work at abortion clinics.

And what "irresponsible right-wing rhetoric" are you talking about? Conservative voices are little more than a finger in the d**e while the entire dam crumbles around you.

Please elaborate.



My sense is he is using hyperbole for effect - mimicking their words...

trump is getting things done...everything from prison reform, to border security, to getting s and n korea to at least talk and meet to getting sanctions back and enforced where needed...heck even radically fake news left CNN has come around to trying to appear less biased by cutting ties with pundits...they are only doing it because he's called them out on their repeated lies...none of the past presidents did that...none..

  
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Re: Trump is the monster created by irresponsible right wing rhetoric.
Reply #16 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 10:09pm
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Queshank wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 1:58pm:
Vypr loves to run around sharing my observations on Trump as if they mean something.  I noticed his new sig is another observation I made during the primaries.

Trump is the monster created by irresponsible right wing rhetoric.  He absorbed it all and capitalized on it and played it and the right wing base to win the presidency.

What Vypr is ignoring are the inevitable monsters left wing rhetoric started trying to create in the 2016 election.  There's a lot of people on the left ignoring that rhetoric or thinking it's reasonable and not irresponsible.  There were on the right too.

I mean do you really think I would say and (still) think all this about Trump ... and yet proclaim my intent to vote for him because the left has become worse if I truly didn't think so?  At worse you'd think I'd simply sit out the 2020 election like I did the 2016 election.

But no... I think my vote for Trump in 2020 might be the most important vote I've ever made in my life.

Queshank


2 things:

I would change your initial thesis to "Trump is the monster created by irresponsible left wing rhetoric." After all, I don't think he would have won if it wasn't for the people that were tired of being attacked by the left.

How many people are like you? How many people don't like the persona but love the results?
  

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Reply #17 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 4:34pm
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Bumping this til I get a chance to address some of the things brought up.

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Reply #18 - Jun 14th, 2019 at 12:36pm
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One more bump for the weekend.  Been a busy week training my replacement and with the wife's birthday.  I'll have time to respond in greater detail this weekend.

But to give you something to chew on in the interim Vypr ...

I'm what it looks like when people put country ahead of party. 

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Reply #19 - Jun 14th, 2019 at 1:05pm
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Queshank wrote on Jun 14th, 2019 at 12:36pm:
One more bump for the weekend.  Been a busy week training my replacement and with the wife's birthday.  I'll have time to respond in greater detail this weekend.

But to give you something to chew on in the interim Vypr ...

I'm what it looks like when people put country ahead of party. 

Queshank


You are right on Queshank. The (D) or the (R) means nothing. It is what the man stands for that counts. In our history there have been good presidents in both parties. But it is obvious that over the last 50 years or so, one of the American parties has become so very much socialist and a danger to our free country. And somehow our education and news stations have become infiltrated by what is wrong for the country, and are damaging the intelligence of our youth, and many other people. We are in a bad spot right now. And there are millions that do not know what time of day it is because of liberal teachers, and false news. They are attacking our way of the college electoral vote next. If that happens, the whole country will be another California and NY style of life. And we will be donating half our pay every payday to support all the losers and people that don’t even belong here. We are supposed to be a republic country. A constitutional republic. Many do not know that.

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