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Re: Nowegian planned to kill thousands in Times Square
Reply #30 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:19pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:10pm:
So is that when it started?


Simply pointing out the terrorism out of islam since 700ad has had every excuse under the sun, and had rebranded itself many times. It’s still radical Muslims.

I take it you’ve never actually seen one of their propaganda films. I have. Back in the 1990s a military friend shared one with me. It was the most used one at the time in Iraq.

You know what it showed?  Footage of women walking around in skirts and heels in New York. Footage of men and women dancing in bars and drinking and smoking. Footage of women at the beach in bikinis. And every minute or so - which was funny - it would show a 3 second clip of what looked like a short order cook cooking about 5 pounds of bacon.

This is what they seek to stamp out. They see the west as evil. That’s it.
  
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Re: Nowegian planned to kill thousands in Times Square
Reply #31 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:27pm
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petep wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:19pm:
Simply pointing out the terrorism out of islam since 700ad has had every excuse under the sun, and had rebranded itself many times. It’s still radical Muslims.

Except the examples you point to in the 70s in Paris weren't about Islam - it was leftist Arab nationalism (led by and committed by people who weren't exactly devout Muslims). Nor does the current terrorist/Islamist ideology (Salafism, Wahhabism, Deobandism, take your pick) go back to 700 AD/CE; they're modern interpretations of Islam. 
  
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Re: Nowegian planned to kill thousands in Times Square
Reply #32 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:28pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:13pm:
No, one of you islamophiles justified Islamic mass murder because of what happened in the last 100 years.  What is that - a magic cut-off date for complaints?

There is a difference between justifying and seeking to understand.

Hitler was a terrible monster.

Yet it’s also true that the bungling of the end of WWI by the Allied powers led directly to Hitler’s rise.

It’s important to point out monsters. It’s also important to own up to one’s own mistakes which helped open doors to the monsters.
  

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Reply #33 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:51pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
There is a difference between justifying and seeking to understand.

Hitler was a terrible monster.

Yet it’s also true that the bungling of the end of WWI by the Allied powers led directly to Hitler’s rise.

It’s important to point out monsters. It’s also important to own up to one’s own mistakes which helped open doors to the monsters.


And when there's a chain of causality which links a series of bad events, it's useful to look at the beginning event.
  
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Re: Nowegian planned to kill thousands in Times Square
Reply #34 - Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:52pm
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Demos wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 1:51pm:
What's funny is how closely this mirrors the Islamists' own rhetoric/propaganda.


It's really quite ironic. It's the same mentality.

And if we in the west suffered the same death and destruction from war and intervention as those in the ME, we would be just as violent. The ideology matches up perfectly for it.

Y'all Qaeda meeting at 10. Bring your household cleaners and something for the kids to play with.

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Reply #35 - Jun 13th, 2019 at 7:29am
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:52pm:
It's really quite ironic. It's the same mentality.

And if we in the west suffered the same death and destruction from war and intervention as those in the ME, we would be just as violent. The ideology matches up perfectly for it.

Y'all Qaeda meeting at 10. Bring your household cleaners and something for the kids to play with.



But we have suffered thru great death and war and tragedy. Heck the Jews had half their world population wiped out over 5 years
  
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Re: Nowegian planned to kill thousands in Times Square
Reply #36 - Jun 13th, 2019 at 1:17pm
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
There is a difference between justifying and seeking to understand.

Hitler was a terrible monster.

Yet it’s also true that the bungling of the end of WWI by the Allied powers led directly to Hitler’s rise.

It’s important to point out monsters. It’s also important to own up to one’s own mistakes which helped open doors to the monsters.



Extremely good post.


This is why history matters and tribalism is bad.
  

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Re: Nowegian planned to kill thousands in Times Square
Reply #37 - Jun 13th, 2019 at 1:21pm
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petep wrote on Jun 13th, 2019 at 7:29am:
But we have suffered thru great death and war and tragedy. Heck the Jews had half their world population wiped out over 5 years



9/11 aside, Americans really haven't suffered much compared to European and Middle Eastern and African and Asian nations within living memory; not since your Civil War really.

Even 9/11 is dwarfed by literally hundreds of individual events in both World Wars.

Yours is an extraordinarily lucky country.
  

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Re: Nowegian planned to kill thousands in Times Square
Reply #38 - Jun 13th, 2019 at 1:23pm
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patrick2 wrote on Jun 12th, 2019 at 2:17pm:
OH YEAH, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT GUY! WHO CAN EVER FORGET HOW HE ENSLAVED A MILLION EUROPEANS!  And the time he took over Spain - really bad form....



On the plus side regarding the Moorish control of Spain, the racial mix is what gives the world such scorching hot Spanish women.
  

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Re: Nowegian planned to kill thousands in Times Square
Reply #39 - Jun 13th, 2019 at 7:37pm
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Limey. wrote on Jun 13th, 2019 at 1:17pm:
Extremely good post.


This is why history matters and tribalism is bad.


Smiley

You praise his comment that neatly excises hundreds of years of Islamic terrorism to make a point, and then you tell us "history matters".

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