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reparations - how far back does blame go...
Jul 8th, 2019 at 12:46pm
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there are quite a few prominent political candidates who seem to support this...

It got me thinking...my great grandfather was from lithuania, captured by russians, escaped from a prison camp, came to america...my grandmother came from ireland, facing great persecution...her parents and her and siblings made it here...mom died, she and siblings in orphanage...dad died, she went to work 12 hour days, 5 days a week, at age 12, as all siblings at orphanage were younger...this was the "irish need not apply days"

never one in my entire life did I ever think about where I am in my life as a function of my ancestors lot in life...

maybe if I grew up with bad parents, in an abusive home, I may be able to cast some blame on my parents, for some period of time before accepting responsibility for my own life...but it'd never occur to me to go back to my grandparents or great grandparents situation...  let alone what, 4-7 generations back....
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 2:06pm
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Sorry, Pete.  On reparations, they have put up a big sign in the window: "NO WHITES ALLOWED". Your ancestors' trials and tribulations are dismissed because your ethnicity eligibility is not approved by the snowflakes.

If racial supremacy is defined as the belief that a particular race is inherently superior to others, then those who demand reparations are black supremacists. Racists, through and through.

  

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petep wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 12:46pm:
there are quite a few prominent political candidates who seem to support this...

It got me thinking...my great grandfather was from lithuania, captured by russians, escaped from a prison camp, came to america...my grandmother came from ireland, facing great persecution...her parents and her and siblings made it here...mom died, she and siblings in orphanage...dad died, she went to work 12 hour days, 5 days a week, at age 12, as all siblings at orphanage were younger...this was the "irish need not apply days"

never one in my entire life did I ever think about where I am in my life as a function of my ancestors lot in life...

maybe if I grew up with bad parents, in an abusive home, I may be able to cast some blame on my parents, for some period of time before accepting responsibility for my own life...but it'd never occur to me to go back to my grandparents or great grandparents situation...  let alone what, 4-7 generations back....


Your family's experiences are by no means unique to Americans, and my family shares many of these issues with  yours. However these experiences pale before the genocidal phenomenon of American enslavement of Africans, and the century plus of brutal discrimination that followed it.

Personally I support reparations for the descendants of slavery. Not for the monetary value of the reparations, but for the symbolic value, which is far greater. I am reminded of the comments of the victims and descendants of Japanese Americans who were put into concentration camps during WWII. For the victims, the monetary reparations were secondary to the official apology the US government gave them. I suspect descendants of African Americans who were enslaved would have much the same reaction: it's the apology and not the gold that is most valuable.

  

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petep wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 12:46pm:
there are quite a few prominent political candidates who seem to support this...

It got me thinking...my great grandfather was from lithuania, captured by russians, escaped from a prison camp, came to america...my grandmother came from ireland, facing great persecution...her parents and her and siblings made it here...mom died, she and siblings in orphanage...dad died, she went to work 12 hour days, 5 days a week, at age 12, as all siblings at orphanage were younger...this was the "irish need not apply days"

never one in my entire life did I ever think about where I am in my life as a function of my ancestors lot in life...

maybe if I grew up with bad parents, in an abusive home, I may be able to cast some blame on my parents, for some period of time before accepting responsibility for my own life...but it'd never occur to me to go back to my grandparents or great grandparents situation...  let alone what, 4-7 generations back....



I see.. so you're saying that all the descendants of Holocaust survivors should just shut the fcuk up ..
  

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The anglo-saxons drove my people, the celts, out of parts of Britain in ancient times - I demand reparations!  Ew - wait - I'm part Anglo-Saxon!  Uh, no problem - I'll just give myself the money.
  
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Re: reparations - how far back does blame go...
Reply #5 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 2:28pm
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Fiddler wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 2:21pm:
I see.. so you're saying that all the descendants of Holocaust survivors should just shut the fcuk up ..

I am, yes.
  


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Fiddler wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 2:21pm:
I see.. so you're saying that all the descendants of Holocaust survivors should just shut the fcuk up ..



well, once again, you simpy make up your own strawman...I've never said such a thing...I think the extermination of approx half of the world jewish population less than 100 years ago was horrific...how they have dealt with such a horrific act, during which many such as kennedy and chamberlain preached appeasement and encouraged the world to stand idly by was despicable...many of these victims are either still alive or direct decedents...I'm not sure I've ever heard demands for anything from them or more appropriately any promises by politicians for reparations for jewish people...which is surprising...but also a testament to the jewish folks as a group, in terms of how they have persevered and succeeded.
  
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You conservative Christians REALLY know how to hold a grudge. Longer than any religion I know of.

So my answer to this question? Adam and Eve.
  
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Freon_Bale wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 3:00pm:
You conservative Christians REALLY know how to hold a grudge. Longer than any religion I know of.

So my answer to this question? Adam and Eve.


we are the forgive and move on crowd....
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 3:12pm
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petep wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
we are the forgive and move on crowd....


You're kidding, right?

I'm Jewish, and you've hated us for 2000 years. THAT'S a grudge.

Jews, on the other hand, ARE the people of forgive, but never forget. That's how we look at Germany. And Spain. And Egypt.

I don't believe you know the meaning of the word forgive, unless it relates to this horrible person you put in the oval office. Because he works for you, ANYTHING he does is forgivable. That is what makes you such hypocrites. Bible followers...of convenience.
  
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