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Reply #20 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 2:05am
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Seawolf has been running around the forum trying to convert everybody. That's new.
  

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Reply #21 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 7:21am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:46pm:
No, not you. You're worse. You don't want to kill us, you want to convert us. Stay out of my soul, man. You cannot possibly understand how fun it is to be Jewish. I truly feel sorry for you. Not because our Faiths are different, but because you only have Faith, no culture. Maybe if you protestants survive another thousand years, then maybe you will have a culture, but right now, you don't. Nothing ties you together except your faith, and we have found that in the long run, culture matters more.

That is the great news about God, he adopts us into his fanily.  You had no more of a say in his choosing the Jews as his people then you do about adopting us as his children.  To add more wrath you mock his creation.  Everyone of us are his creation, when you reject people you mock him for who he has made.  Sad when you think about it.
  


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Seawolf wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 7:21am:
That is the great news about God, he adopts us into his fanily.  You had no more of a say in his choosing the Jews as his people then you do about adopting us as his children.  To add more wrath you mock his creation.  Everyone of us are his creation, when you reject people you mock him for who he has made.  Sad when you think about it.

Do you believe that everyone has a soul and still maintains control of it; or do you think that Faust may have been far more a work of non-fiction and a cautionary tale?  Was Mephistopheles a Marxist? Roll Eyes


  

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Freon_Bale wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:46pm:
No, not you. You're worse. You don't want to kill us, you want to convert us. Stay out of my soul, man. You cannot possibly understand how fun it is to be Jewish. I truly feel sorry for you. Not because our Faiths are different, but because you only have Faith, no culture. Maybe if you protestants survive another thousand years, then maybe you will have a culture, but right now, you don't. Nothing ties you together except your faith, and we have found that in the long run, culture matters more.


Two things come to mind. Absolute arrogance. And two, someone who has no understanding of faith and acceptance.




  
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Reply #24 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 8:02am
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Ulysses wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 2:19pm:
Your family's experiences are by no means unique to Americans, and my family shares many of these issues with  yours. However these experiences pale before the genocidal phenomenon of American enslavement of Africans, and the century plus of brutal discrimination that followed it.

Personally I support reparations for the descendants of slavery. Not for the monetary value of the reparations, but for the symbolic value, which is far greater. I am reminded of the comments of the victims and descendants of Japanese Americans who were put into concentration camps during WWII. For the victims, the monetary reparations were secondary to the official apology the US government gave them. I suspect descendants of African Americans who were enslaved would have much the same reaction: it's the apology and not the gold that is most valuable.



How do we know what blacks are the descendents of slaves in the United States?  Do we just assume that all of them are?  How much money per person does each descendent get?  Who pays for it?    Do they want just enough money to get back to their original homeland?  Do they know where that is?  Do they want to remain here, where life evidently is so bad for them? 

Seriously, how does giving the blacks currently living in the U.S help the slaves held in the past?  I honestly don't get it.  Heck, I don't even know if my ancestors were living in the U.S. at the time of slavery.  I do imagine that there never was enough money to own another person and I don't believe that anyone would have been interested in doing that anyway.  We have the old germanic work ethic; if you want something, work for it, earn enough money, then buy it, period.  I don't recall anyone talking about Great Aunt Maude and her slave Sharina.

Would reparations be based on the prices of the times back then?  After all, we haven't bought or sold slaves for over a century and one half.  What would the rate be?  That's waaaaay longer than slaves were actually bought and sold here.  Oh dang.  So many questions.  My head hurts.
  
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petep wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 7:55am:
Two things come to mind. Absolute arrogance. And two, someone who has no understanding of faith and acceptance.






I am arrogant, you got that right. But it is actually one of my most endearing traits, if you knew me in real life. It translates into confidence not just in myself, but in those around me, and like Faith, it is a belief and a choice. Which is why it is ironic that you would say that I don't understand Faith. I think I do more than most, and actively, fully consciously, include it in my life. People who believe because they are told to, or worse, because they think that some natural phenomena 'proves' their belief, don't really have Faith. They have an illusion, and a sense of elitism, but Faith? Not a drop. I pity them, for when they actually need this most amazing coping mechanism, it will not be there for them. My Faith is rock solid, and has been tested under fire (unfortunately), and gave me strength when I needed it.

Now acceptance, that is another topic entirely. If you mean pragmatism (which I don't think you are meaning), then I challenge you to find a more pragmatic individual. If, on the other hand, you mean seeing the world as it is, and doing nothing about it, i.e. accepting it, then you can have it. That is the definition of conservatism, the love of what is, instead of what could be.
  
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Reply #26 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 10:16am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 9:49am:
I am arrogant, you got that right. But it is actually one of my most endearing traits, if you knew me in real life. It translates into confidence not just in myself, but in those around me, and like Faith, it is a belief and a choice. Which is why it is ironic that you would say that I don't understand Faith. I think I do more than most, and actively, fully consciously, include it in my life. People who believe because they are told to, or worse, because they think that some natural phenomena 'proves' their belief, don't really have Faith. They have an illusion, and a sense of elitism, but Faith? Not a drop. I pity them, for when they actually need this most amazing coping mechanism, it will not be there for them. My Faith is rock solid, and has been tested under fire (unfortunately), and gave me strength when I needed it.

Now acceptance, that is another topic entirely. If you mean pragmatism (which I don't think you are meaning), then I challenge you to find a more pragmatic individual. If, on the other hand, you mean seeing the world as it is, and doing nothing about it, i.e. accepting it, then you can have it. That is the definition of conservatism, the love of what is, instead of what could be.


sadly, you do not know the difference between arrogance and confidence...this may help you.

http://marietta-psychologist.blogspot.com/2012/03/difference-between-confidence-...

your post projects arrogance of the worst kind...
  
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Reply #27 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 10:17am
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petep wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 10:16am:
sadly, you do not know the difference between arrogance and confidence...this may help you.

http://marietta-psychologist.blogspot.com/2012/03/difference-between-confidence-...

your post projects arrogance of the worst kind...


You misunderstand. I was politely saying that YOU don't understand the difference.
  
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Reply #28 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 10:50am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
Trump has brought out the voices of the silent conservative Christians, whose goal is to do worse than destroy Israel. Their goal is to convert Jews to Christianity. I can name at least one person in this very forum who has admitted to wanting just that.

Also, the right wing has all the conspiracy theorists.

Lulz.

You can even name "one person" on "this very forum"?

Looks like you've cracked the case, detective.
  

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Reply #29 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 10:51am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:46pm:
You cannot possibly understand how fun it is to be Jewish.

You get weirder and weirder as time goes on.
  

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