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Reply #30 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 10:58am
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Rabbit_Reborn wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 10:51am:
You get weirder and weirder as time goes on.


Thank you. I consider that the highest compliment.
  
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Reply #31 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 2:28pm
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petep wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 12:46pm:
there are quite a few prominent political candidates who seem to support this...

It got me thinking...my great grandfather was from lithuania, captured by russians, escaped from a prison camp, came to america...my grandmother came from ireland, facing great persecution...her parents and her and siblings made it here...mom died, she and siblings in orphanage...dad died, she went to work 12 hour days, 5 days a week, at age 12, as all siblings at orphanage were younger...this was the "irish need not apply days"

never one in my entire life did I ever think about where I am in my life as a function of my ancestors lot in life...

maybe if I grew up with bad parents, in an abusive home, I may be able to cast some blame on my parents, for some period of time before accepting responsibility for my own life...but it'd never occur to me to go back to my grandparents or great grandparents situation...  let alone what, 4-7 generations back....


I want the bloody Romans, Anglo Saxons and French Vikings to leave, leave now, and give me my country back and a lot of money.

THAT’S how far back. And the Palestinians owe the Jews money too, no excuses for being part of what happened a hundred generations ago.
  

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Reply #32 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 2:30pm
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Limey. wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
I want the bloody Romans, Anglo Saxons and French Vikings to leave, leave now, and give me my country back and a lot of money.

THAT’S how far back. And the Palestinians owe the Jews money too, no excuses for being part of what happened a hundred generations ago.


Dude, you're thinking too small. Let's just blame G-d.
  
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Reply #33 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 2:43pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 2:30pm:
Dude, you're thinking too small. Let's just blame G-d.




Nah. Who’s His boss? Let’s take it to the top.
  

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Re: reparations - how far back does blame go...
Reply #34 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 2:55pm
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petep wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 12:46pm:
there are quite a few prominent political candidates who seem to support this...

It got me thinking...my great grandfather was from lithuania, captured by russians, escaped from a prison camp, came to america...my grandmother came from ireland, facing great persecution...her parents and her and siblings made it here...mom died, she and siblings in orphanage...dad died, she went to work 12 hour days, 5 days a week, at age 12, as all siblings at orphanage were younger...this was the "irish need not apply days"

never one in my entire life did I ever think about where I am in my life as a function of my ancestors lot in life...

maybe if I grew up with bad parents, in an abusive home, I may be able to cast some blame on my parents, for some period of time before accepting responsibility for my own life...but it'd never occur to me to go back to my grandparents or great grandparents situation...  let alone what, 4-7 generations back....

- you need reparations  Cheesy
  

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Reply #35 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 1:15am
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Limey. wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 2:43pm:
Nah. Who’s His boss? Let’s take it to the top.


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Reply #36 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 6:16am
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You are aware that President Trump's daughter is a Jewess, aren't you?  I don't know in what year she converted, but she did.

On edit:  https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/ivanka-trump-opens-converting-orthodox-juda...
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Reply #37 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 9:44am
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crepe05 wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 6:16am:
You are aware that President Trump's daughter is a Jewess, aren't you?  I don't know in what year she converted, but she did.

On edit:  https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/ivanka-trump-opens-converting-orthodox-juda...


She's Orthodox. That is the smallest movement within Judaism, the most religiously conservative, and the least representative of the three main movements (and thus, the bulk of Judaism).

The Orthodox consider Israel their right, as stated in the Torah. A divine mandate to be there. I, and at least half of American Jews, consider that perspective to be arrogant, and a justification to discriminate and not follow international law.
  
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Reply #38 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 11:19am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 9:44am:
She's Orthodox. That is the smallest movement within Judaism, the most religiously conservative, and the least representative of the three main movements (and thus, the bulk of Judaism).

The Orthodox consider Israel their right, as stated in the Torah. A divine mandate to be there. I, and at least half of American Jews, consider that perspective to be arrogant, and a justification to discriminate and not follow international law.


Are you serious?  You've really got to be kidding.  If not, then you and those who believe as you do, are definitely some of the most arrogant and pompous beings on the face of God's green earth.  If you don't believe in the Torah, what is your Holy scripture, if you have any.

Is everything based on size for you?  There are a lot of men who do that, and some are sorely disappointed.   Grin
  
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Reply #39 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 11:38am
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crepe05 wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 11:19am:
Are you serious?  You've really got to be kidding.  If not, then you and those who believe as you do, are definitely some of the most arrogant and pompous beings on the face of God's green earth.  If you don't believe in the Torah, what is your Holy scripture, if you have any.

Is everything based on size for you?  There are a lot of men who do that, and some are sorely disappointed.   Grin


You are a Christian, so you can't possibly understand what it means to be Jewish. I've tried to explain to the likes of Seawolf, but coming from the perspective that if you don't believe in your book, you're a bad Christian, my message goes in one ear, out the other.

And based on your attitude, I doubt you would believe anything I said, as if my perspective was a minority within my culture and religion.

So again, really no point explaining to you, except to say, you're wrong if you think book belief is what makes a good Jew. It has zero to do with it, and in fact, you miss the point of being Jewish completely.

edit: I just saw this article in my feed about a wealthy Jewish philanthropist family in Los Angeles. About halfway through, you can see the tension among American Jews regarding Israel.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/haim-cheryl-saban-talk-power-philanth...
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