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Sick Canadians: Drop dead, or head to US
Jul 10th, 2019 at 11:59am
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The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

In citing those numbers in its 2015 report, "Leaving Canada for Medical Care," the organization said difficulties in obtaining timely medical care at home is, increasingly, leading Canadians to seek it abroad. "It is possible [they] may have left the country to avoid some of the adverse medical consequences of waiting for care, such as worsening of their condition, poorer outcomes following treatment, disability, or death," the report says. "Some may leave simply to avoid delay and to make a quicker return to normal life."

Canadians could expect to wait 9.8 weeks for medically necessary treatment after seeing a specialist in 2014, the researchers found, three weeks more than the time physicians considered to be clinically "reasonable."

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Re: Sick Canadians: Drop dead, or head to US
Reply #1 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 12:03pm
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Definition of possible

1a : being within the limits of ability, capacity, or realization
//a possible but difficult task
 
b : being what may be conceived, be done, or occur according to nature, custom, or manners
//the best possible care

//the worst possible circumstance
 

2a : being something that may or may not occur
//a possible surprise visit
 
b : being something that may or may not be true or actual
//possible explanation
 

3 : having an indicated potential


Possible....

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Certainty:

52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014

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patrick2 wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 12:06pm:
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52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014

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Canada has a population of 37 million people. ALL 37 million are entitled and receive government sponsored health care.  You're making some point that 52 thousand of that 37 million go elsewhere?  Seriously?

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    1) First, they surveyed United States border facilities in Michigan, New York, and Washington.  It makes sense that Canadians crossing the border for care would favor sites close by, right?  It turns out that about 80% of such facilities saw fewer than one Canadian per month.  About 40% saw none in the prior year.  And when looking at the reasons for visits, more than 80% were emergencies or urgent visits (ie tourists who had to go to the ER).  Only about 19% of those already few visits were for elective purposes.

    2) Next, they surveyed “America’s Best Hospitals”, because if Canadians were going to travel for care, they would be more likely to go to the most well-known and highest quality facilities, right?  Only one of the surveyed hospitals saw more than 60 Canadians in one year.  And, again, that included both emergencies and elective care.

    3) Finally, they examined data from the 18,000 Canadians who participated in the National Population Health Survey.  In the previous year, only 90 of those 18,000 Canadians had received care in the United States; only 20 of them had done so electively.


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Canadians could expect to wait 9.8 weeks for medically necessary treatment

- a length of time Canadian officials consider unreasonable?   Smiley
  
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patrick2 wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 12:14pm:
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Canadians could expect to wait 9.8 weeks for medically necessary treatment

- a length of time Canadian officials consider unreasonable?   Smiley


Since my wifes cousin lives in Canada, I can tell you she has no beef with Canadian health care.  She required knee surgery and had to go on a waiting list to get it.  Took several months but the surgery went well and she was given paid time off work for recovery.  No bills were sent to her.  All follow on therapy was taken care of by the government.  No chance of losing her house due to heavy medical bills.  Is the system perfect?  No.  But then, what is?  Did she get the treatment she needed?  Yes.

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Reply #7 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 12:24pm
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From the Canadian Fraser Institute:

Whether you ask physicians or patients, the answer is the same—Canada is failing to provide timely access to medical care.

The U.S.-based Commonwealth Fund, in conjunction with the Canadian Institute of Health Information, just published the results of their health policy survey of adults in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States. The results indicate that Canada is not just lagging, but is literally scraping the bottom when it comes to indicators of timely access to health care.

Here’s a sample of our most spectacular failures:
•Ability to get a same or next-day appointment when sick: worst
•Ability to get after-hours care (without resorting to visiting an emergency department): second-worst
•Wait for treatment in the emergency department: worst
•Wait to see a specialist: worst
•Wait for elective surgery: worst


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Re: Sick Canadians: Drop dead, or head to US
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patrick2 wrote on Jul 10th, 2019 at 12:24pm:
From the Canadian Fraser Institute:

Whether you ask physicians or patients, the answer is the same—Canada is failing to provide timely access to medical care.

The U.S.-based Commonwealth Fund, in conjunction with the Canadian Institute of Health Information, just published the results of their health policy survey of adults in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States. The results indicate that Canada is not just lagging, but is literally scraping the bottom when it comes to indicators of timely access to health care.

Here’s a sample of our most spectacular failures:
•Ability to get a same or next-day appointment when sick: worst
•Ability to get after-hours care (without resorting to visiting an emergency department): second-worst
•Wait for treatment in the emergency department: worst
•Wait to see a specialist: worst
•Wait for elective surgery: worst


https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/when-compared-to-similar-countries-canad...


Out of 37 million, only 52 thousand are swinging by our side of the border....

Really?...

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Re: Sick Canadians: Drop dead, or head to US
Reply #9 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 12:40pm
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LOL, Patrick ignores the fact that some 20 million Americans have NO health care coverage. Period. The ACA reduced the number of uninsured from about 40 million to about 20 million, but the Trumpestilence is trying to return us to the days of the 40+ million uninsured.

Additionally, the same article that Patrick struts before us shows unequivocally that Canada's situation with wait times etc is unique among nations with universal health care. So it's a piss-poor argument against the various universal health care proposals being advanced in America by the Democrats.

The Republican answer? If you can't afford health care, you die.

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In the Netherlands, the top performer in-terms of ability to get a same/next day appoint and after hours care, individuals must purchase a standard insurance package from private insurers in a regulated, but competitive, market. A for-profit company is the market leader.

In France, the top performer in terms of wait times in the emergency department, universally accessible hospital care is delivered by public, not-for-profit and for-profit hospitals. In fact, about one-third of all hospitals in the country operate on a for-profit basis.

Switzerland, the top performer in terms of wait times to see a specialist, ensures universality in an environment of managed competition among insurance companies and providers of health care. Like most other countries, cost-sharing is a central feature of the Swiss system. Individuals are expected to pay a deductible before insurance kicks-in, after which a 10-20 per cent co-insurance rate applies up to an annual maximum, after which all expenses are covered.

In Germany, the top performer in terms of wait times for elective surgery, individuals can generally use social/statutory (SHI) or private (PHI) insurance to access public or private hospital care. Although 42 per cent of all hospitals operate on a for-profit basis, almost all hospital beds in the country are accessible to patients with SHI-coverage.
  

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