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Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Jul 25th, 2019 at 10:52am
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The restrictionist right's standing rap against non-Western immigrants is that they come from statist countries and lack the cultural DNA to assimilate into America's system of free enterprise, democracy, and individual liberty. But in fact it is the new right, following President Donald Trump's lead, that is taking a hammer to the system. Conservatives who care for their movement's integrity and their country's identity ought to worry less about imaginary external threats and more about the real ones emerging from their own camp.

Restrictionist conservatives have long insisted that their problem with "mass immigration" from Mexico, Asia, and the Middle East isn't that their natives are racially different but culturally different. They believe that Latinos come from statist polities and are therefore too susceptible to the lure of Big Government social programs and handouts if not outright socialism. "Most of the millions of immigrants we have welcomed came from countries where the only government they knew was one that made all the decisions about economic and social policy," lamented the late conservative doyen, Phyllis Schlafly.

Even someone like the National Review's Charles C. Cooke, a libertarian-minded British immigrant who is far from a reflexive restrictionist, finds such concerns sufficiently compelling that he thinks it is entirely appropriate for the U.S. citizenship test to ask new entrants to attest that they are not communists and subversives and would respect religious liberty, even though, arguably, such inquiries about personal beliefs violate the spirit — if not the letter — of the U.S. Constitution.

While conservatives have been worrying about importing socialism from abroad, Trump is foisting on the country what Nobel laureate F.A. Hayek, a conservative hero (until now), considered its equally dangerous collectivist twin, economic nationalism.

Under the guise of America First, Trump has basically given up on the free market. He has dedicated his administration to concocting manifestly bogus national security rationales to slap tariffs on America's trade partners that don't agree to his terms for doing business. And then he has tried to placate American farmers and industries hurt by retaliatory tariffs with billions of dollars in countervailing handouts. He has tried to order companies such as General Motors to desist from shuttering unprofitable plants to keep his jobs numbers up. And in an even bigger affront to free market capitalism, Trump has tried to strong-arm companies such as FoxConn to set up shop where his base resides. In short, Trump is replacing crony capitalism with command capitalism.

But it isn't just the free market that Trump is trampling but also free speech. Even as he lambasts immigrants from "shithole" countries, he echoes tin-pot Third World dictators that call the press the "enemy of the people." He routinely questions whether news he deems to be "fake" or "crooked" or "dishonest" ought to be constitutionally protected. And he has repeatedly fantasized, including at a recent social media conference at the White House, about siccing the regulatory state on Big Tech platforms that allegedly "censor" conservative viewpoints.

One would have thought that conservatives would recoil in horror that Trump is turning his back on practically everything they have spent the last half a century fighting for and rededicate themselves to looking for ways to restore the "conservative value of limited government." But one would be wrong. In a conservative version of wokeness, they are positively giddy about the possibilities for deploying state power that Trump has opened for them.

Yarom Hazony, an Israeli citizen and author of The Virtue of Nationalism, who is fast becoming the intellectual godfather of the neo-right, intoned that it was time for conservatives to "declare independence ... from what they call classical liberalism." Given that Thomas Jefferson essentially relied on classical liberalism when he asserted in the Declaration of Independence that the government's job was to protect the God given and inalienable rights of individuals but otherwise leave them alone to pursue their life, liberty, and happiness as they saw fit, Hazony's wording was explicitly calculated to invite conservatives to turn their back on America's founding. But did the audience break into chants of "send him back"? No. It applauded in approval.

The emerging consensus among smart-set conservatives is that if there is anything wrong with Trump's protectionism it's that it is not radical enough. Trump, apparently, is still too concerned about global supply chains and productivity whereas the country needs, as Hillbilly Elegy author J.D. Vance argues, an ambitious industrial policy dedicated to rebuilding the lost manufacturing base of the heartland combined with massive infusions of government cash to reverse "family decline, childhood trauma, opioid abuse, community decline." Conservatives, Vance believes, need to "be willing to use politics and political power to accomplish those goods."

But it is not just the economic realm that conservatives want to remake by deploying "political power," but the social as well.


  

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #1 - Jul 25th, 2019 at 10:55am
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New York Post editor Sohrab Ahmari, a recently converted Catholic, electrified some conservative quarters when he suggested in First Things that it was time for Christian conservatives not just to dispense with politeness and decency when dealing with liberal enemies that have turned "elite institutes" into "libertine and pagan" strongholds, but also the bogus notion of state neutrality in matters of religion. Such notions, he suggested, were preventing them from using the government to "defeat [the liberal] enemy" and promote their faith in a bid to "[enjoy] the spoils in the form of a public-square reordered." In plain English, Ahmari is spurring conservatives to dispense with this foolishness about separating church and state — so that they can use the state to impose their religion.

That conservatives are preaching a full-scale abandonment of America's bedrock commitments to capitalism, democracy, religious pluralism, and individual liberty shows that even as they accuse immigrants of not assimilating in America they themselves are dissimilating from America.


https://theweek.com/articles/854416/conservatives-have-assimilation-problem?fbcl...

Sorry for the text block but this article was so rich that I found very little that was not essential to the argument.

That final statement sums it up for me. This new breed of national conservative is every bit as hostile to American traditions and culture as any immigrant, or far left ideologue.

You can't look to reign in classical liberalism, free markets, religious freedom, and universal natural rights without also looking to fundamentally transform our culture and society.

This demonstrates a profound failure to assimilate the essential values of the American system.
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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #2 - Jul 25th, 2019 at 11:03am
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Powerful piece.  I look forward to the lively debate it will prompt from the philosophers and thought-leaders supporting trumpublican ascendancy here on LNF.  Surely they will rise to the occasion...
  

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The whole premise of your post is a load of Left Wing crap!

Conservatives support Legal Immigration and the historical "melting Pot" which has made America Great!  Leftist play identity politics and support Multi-culturalism which divides people, rather than supports the American melting pot of all races, ethnicities and cultures. 

Leftists such as yourself do not see the difference between Legal Immigration and Illegal Immigration!
  

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #4 - Jul 25th, 2019 at 11:09am
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 11:07am:
The whole premise is a load of Left Wing crap!

Conservatives support Legal Immigration and the historical "melting Pot" which has made America Great!  Leftist play identity politics and support Multi-culturalism which divides people, rather than supports the American melting pot of all races, ethnicities and cultures. 

You haven't addressed any of the points made in this article.

Some conservatives seem ready to abandon our heritage and you respond with whataboutism?

This discussion isn't about what's wrong with the left. It's about what's wrong with the right.
  

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #5 - Jul 25th, 2019 at 11:11am
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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 11:07am:
The whole premise of your post is a load of Left Wing crap!

Conservatives support Legal Immigration and the historical "melting Pot" which has made America Great!  Leftist play identity politics and support Multi-culturalism which divides people, rather than supports the American melting pot of all races, ethnicities and cultures. 

Leftists such as yourself do not see the difference between Legal Immigration and Illegal Immigration!


Look who it was written by for starters. Think maybe her straightforwardness was tainted by her ideology? Don't know myself and care even less when libertarians are involved.

"She considers herself to be a progressive libertarian and an agnostic with Buddhist longings and a Sufi soul."
  

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Wadsworth wrote on Jul 27th, 2019 at 12:55pm:
And I said that Trump should look at his district. 


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The Left never got the memo from the Europeans.  Multi-culturalism has Failed!

  

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I love how we can't discuss something without a fallacy (shoot the messenger) or whataboutery.
  

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Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 11:14am:
The Left never got the memo from the Europeans.  Multi-culturalism has Failed!

https://i.imgur.com/h5Su12a.jpg

Funny you say that as you live in the most successful nation on earth, which is thoroughly multicultural and was from the get go.

I'd remind those responding that immigration was just one of the policy realms where this new national conservatism is lapsing from American values. Let's not ignore the others.
  

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
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TowardLiberty wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 11:15am:
I love how we can't discuss something without a fallacy (shoot the messenger) or whataboutery.



I love how we are free to dismiss it too.
  

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And I said that Trump should look at his district. 


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