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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #60 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 1:38pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Aug 3rd, 2019 at 1:02pm:
I have spent time in Mexico but no I haven't seen people renting and selling kids. I am sure it happens but I haven't seen it.



Apparently you haven't been to one of Donny's cronies' private islands.

  

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #61 - Aug 4th, 2019 at 3:12pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Jul 25th, 2019 at 11:03am:
Powerful piece.  I look forward to the lively debate it will prompt from the philosophers and thought-leaders supporting trumpublican ascendancy here on LNF.  Surely they will rise to the occasion...


Hay. We are not supposed to assimilate. The people that come here are the ones that are supposed to assimilate, get a job and learn English. And no criminals allowed. Get in line so we know who and what you are. Just like a hundred years ago. The more liberal the country becomes, the more downhill it goes. Pretty soon we could be just like the countries they ran away from. They will vote that (D) too.

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #62 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 12:52pm
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TL, you were saying something about conservatives having an assimilation problem...?

Trump official revises Statue of Liberty poem to defend migrant rule change

"On Tuesday, Mr Cuccinelli was asked by NPR whether the 1883 poem titled The New Colossus at the Statue of Liberty on New York's Ellis Island still applied.

"Would you also agree that Emma Lazarus's words etched on the Statue of Liberty, 'Give me your tired, give me your poor,' are also a part of the American ethos?" asked NPR's Rachel Martin.

"They certainly are," Mr Cuccinelli responded. "Give me your tired and your poor - who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge."

The actual passage reads in part: "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49323324

  

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #63 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 1:13pm
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Paul Auster wrote that "Bartholdi's gigantic effigy was originally intended as a monument to the principles of international republicanism, but 'The New Colossus' reinvented the statue's purpose, turning Liberty into a welcoming mother, a symbol of hope to the outcasts and downtrodden of the world."

John T. Cunningham wrote that "The Statue of Liberty was not conceived and sculpted as a symbol of immigration, but it quickly became so as immigrant ships passed under the torch and the shining face, heading toward Ellis Island. However, it was [Lazarus's poem] that permanently stamped on Miss Liberty the role of unofficial greeter of incoming immigrants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus
  

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #64 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 1:20pm
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Abe wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 1:13pm:
Paul Auster wrote that "Bartholdi's gigantic effigy was originally intended as a monument to the principles of international republicanism, but 'The New Colossus' reinvented the statue's purpose, turning Liberty into a welcoming mother, a symbol of hope to the outcasts and downtrodden of the world."

John T. Cunningham wrote that "The Statue of Liberty was not conceived and sculpted as a symbol of immigration, but it quickly became so as immigrant ships passed under the torch and the shining face, heading toward Ellis Island. However, it was [Lazarus's poem] that permanently stamped on Miss Liberty the role of unofficial greeter of incoming immigrants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus

Whether it was conceived so or not, it quickly became a symbol of immigration.

And now elements of our polity seek to change it.
  

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #65 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 1:32pm
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Whether it was conceived so or not, it quickly became a symbol of immigration.


Legal immigration

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And now elements of our polity seek to change it.


Yes they do.




"Now here is the thing. We expect people who live in this country to play by the rules. We expect those who cut the line will not be unfairly rewarded. So we’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve with been in America more than five years. If you have children who are American citizens or illegal residents. If you register, pass a criminal background check and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes, you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation. You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. That’s what this deal is.

Now let’s be clear about what it isn’t. This deal does not apply to anyone who has come to this country recently. It does not apply to anyone who might come to America illegally in the future. It does not grant citizenship or the right to stay here permanently, or offer the same benefits that citizens receive."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-obamas-immigration-speech/201...


  

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #66 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 2:01pm
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An example (of many) where the poison of PC stands forth with great clarity in its insanity - the people with roots in this country for hundreds of years are supposed to "assimilate" to the illegal alien invaders.
  
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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #67 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 2:12pm
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Abe wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Legal immigration



We were just passing the first immigration restrictions, up till then immigration was largely free and open. During the period where the US went from an economic backwater to a global powerhouse, it enjoyed an open borders policy.

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Yes they do.

"Now here is the thing. We expect people who live in this country to play by the rules. We expect those who cut the line will not be unfairly rewarded. So we’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve with been in America more than five years. If you have children who are American citizens or illegal residents. If you register, pass a criminal background check and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes, you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation. You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. That’s what this deal is.

Now let’s be clear about what it isn’t. This deal does not apply to anyone who has come to this country recently. It does not apply to anyone who might come to America illegally in the future. It does not grant citizenship or the right to stay here permanently, or offer the same benefits that citizens receive."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-obamas-immigration-speech/201...

There are elements of this proposed compromise that I think are attractive. But it needs to be extended to people already here no matter how long they've been here as long as they are not violent criminals.
  

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #68 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 2:13pm
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patrick2 wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 2:01pm:
An example (of many) where the poison of PC stands forth with great clarity in its insanity - the people with roots in this country for hundreds of years are supposed to "assimilate" to the illegal alien invaders.

Sounds like a misread.

The criticism made here is that you haven't assimilated in your own land.
  

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Re: Conservatives have an assimilation problem
Reply #69 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 2:16pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 2:13pm:
Sounds like a misread.

The criticism made here is that you haven't assimilated in your own land.


Warped logic hiding in a misuse of language.
  
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