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Reply #10 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 11:10am
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There are a number of telescopes already built on these Hawaiian volcanoes.  Can't we replace one of them?  Upgrade it?  Build this one right next to an existing one?  Keep the footprint small, and leverage existing rights of way?
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 1:54pm
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Ulysses wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 11:04am:
Typical Jasmine.

Too chicken to voice her own opinion on a controversy but wants to troll and rile people up about it.


AND the thread derailer Ulysses tries to derail another thread. NO BIG SURPRISE THERE.
  

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Reply #12 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:04pm
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Jasmine wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 3:51am:
By now, I’m sure most of you have heard or read about the protests being held on Maunakea volcano. Native Hawaiians and their supporters want to prevent a billion-dollar telescope from being built on the mountain. The telescope has cleared all legal and approval processes.

I figure a video would be more helpful than an article here.



This is a very interesting battle between science and culture. Take a look and tell me your take on the controversy.

Me? I don’t really care either way. I don’t care about science or any kind of ethnic culture, so I don’t have a dog in the fight. I just think it’s an interesting issue. People here on both sides are very passionate about this battle.



Well, it is their sacred land. I believe in science, but I know there are plenty of mountains around where that scope can go. Not that much sacred ground. Have respect.

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Reply #13 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:04pm
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forgotten centrist wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 11:10am:
There are a number of telescopes already built on these Hawaiian volcanoes.  Can't we replace one of them?  Upgrade it?  Build this one right next to an existing one?  Keep the footprint small, and leverage existing rights of way?

Unfortunately that would make too much sense.
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:49pm
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Archie wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
Well, it is their sacred land. I believe in science, but I know there are plenty of mountains around where that scope can go. Not that much sacred ground. Have respect.

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Well....we could send a huge telescope up into space, just the cost is going to be WAY higher. Are you willing to foot that bill through your taxes, or should we just ignore the advancement of science in general.
  
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Reply #15 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 4:20pm
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Ulysses wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 11:04am:
Typical Jasmine.

Too chicken to voice her own opinion on a controversy but wants to troll and rile people up about it.



Typical Useless, takes a thoughtful thread and tries to turn it into a pissing contest. 
You really are a freaking troll, aren't you? 
  

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Reply #16 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 4:36pm
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robth wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Typical Useless, takes a thoughtful thread and tries to turn it into a pissing contest. 
You really are a freaking troll, aren't you? 

He's probably the worst TROLL LNF has ever had.
  

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Reply #17 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:14pm
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The D-Man wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 4:36am:
Not all science is equal. Some science has the potential to benefit humans' basic needs for food and health. In that case, we could balance the benefits of feeding and keeping well many humans against the culture and lifeways of the small number of people in Hawaii. In that case, I might say that the benefits of the science outweigh the value of the culture.

But this telescope seems to be a different kind of science, which will not benefit people in terms of their basic needs for food and health, but will only benefit them by satisfying their curiosity about trivial things like the beginning of the universe, and that only for the people who care about that, which is probably a smaller number of people than would benefit from having more food to eat or better, cheaper medicines for their health.

So in this case, we aren't pitting humans' life needs against the culture of a specific group of people, but we are really pitting one culture against another, the culture of the people in Hawaii, and the culture of the people who want to have their curiosity satisfied about things that don't really matter in any real way.



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Reply #18 - Aug 5th, 2019 at 5:19pm
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Archie wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
Well, it is their sacred land. I believe in science, but I know there are plenty of mountains around where that scope can go. Not that much sacred ground. Have respect.

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Reply #19 - Aug 6th, 2019 at 2:13am
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forgotten centrist wrote on Aug 5th, 2019 at 11:10am:
There are a number of telescopes already built on these Hawaiian volcanoes.  Can't we replace one of them?  Upgrade it?  Build this one right next to an existing one?  Keep the footprint small, and leverage existing rights of way?


I don't think this scope will fit in beside an existing one. Because it's HUGE. TMT means Thirty Meter Telescope. That means the mirror is about 100 feet diameter. An existing site would probably not accommodation that.
  

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