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Reply #70 - Aug 11th, 2019 at 10:55am
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Abe wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 10:51am:
Most wear cams. The exception isn't the rule. Let's say you're right...how do you solve it?

Where cams are worn problem solved. Some don’t wear cams, and others turn them off.  Most dirty police have been caught by civilian video
  

PaleoCon wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 10:18am:
No blacks will buy that cap.  Look at the bill! It's all curved like normal people wear. The bill of the hat is supposed to be flat with a shiny goofy looking sticker in the middle of it.

No self respecting thug would be without his sticker!

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Reply #71 - Aug 11th, 2019 at 10:56am
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Wadsworth wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 10:55am:
Where cams are worn problem solved. Some don’t wear cams, and others turn them off.  Most dirty police have been caught by civilian video


If there is an incident and it's found that the camera is off it's even more incriminating.
  

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Reply #72 - Aug 11th, 2019 at 11:00am
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Abe wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 10:56am:
If there is an incident and it's found that the camera is off it's even more incriminating.

But the police are still not prosecuted
  

PaleoCon wrote on Jul 17th, 2019 at 10:18am:
No blacks will buy that cap.  Look at the bill! It's all curved like normal people wear. The bill of the hat is supposed to be flat with a shiny goofy looking sticker in the middle of it.

No self respecting thug would be without his sticker!

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Reply #73 - Aug 11th, 2019 at 12:00pm
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Abe wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 7:49am:
The intent of your thread was clear.



I even posed a question along the same lines.

Smiley


I think what many of us are pointing out is the onus shouldn't be on the person with the gun pointed at them to prevent a stupid shooting.

The person pulling the gun out and pointing it at somebody is actually responsible.

It almost always turns out that the escalation of force and the threat of violence, like in this instance, was completely unnecessary. 

Don't blame the victim, blame the aggressor.
  

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Wadsworth wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 9:18am:
Regulations are designed to protect the consumer and the worker.  If it doesn’t,it is not a regulation.



"Watched it.  A shotgun is for long ranged shooting.  That is why hunters like them.  An AR-15 is not.  That video was misleading.
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Reply #74 - Aug 11th, 2019 at 12:19pm
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Abe wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 9:56am:
Wink   Smiley


Yeah, I already said I doubted you shared Archie's view. That confirms it, I suppose.

But I'm interested in how we decide when resistance against our own police/soldiers is appropriate.

If the answer is "never when they're armed," that's all well and good, but that pretty much just means "never."

Which means the Second Amendment should not be used as a means to protect ourselves from tyranny. That's all well and good too, if that's what people mean to say.
  

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Reply #75 - Aug 11th, 2019 at 2:15pm
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Lomelis wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 12:00pm:
I think what many of us are pointing out is the onus shouldn't be on the person with the gun pointed at them to prevent a stupid shooting.

The person pulling the gun out and pointing it at somebody is actually responsible.

It almost always turns out that the escalation of force and the threat of violence, like in this instance, was completely unnecessary. 

Don't blame the victim, blame the aggressor.


The onus may not be on the that person but what happens often depends on what they do. For most having a gun pointed at them is enough. Then there are those who like to challenge how far they can push it before a police officer feels threatened because they want to make a statement on their rights which might not be the time to do so. They can end up dead.


Very east to sit on a message board and evaluate this and say what should happen. Quite another thing to be sitting there starring at a few guns pointed at you.

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Reply #76 - Aug 11th, 2019 at 2:17pm
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Maestro wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 12:19pm:
Yeah, I already said I doubted you shared Archie's view. That confirms it, I suppose.

But I'm interested in how we decide when resistance against our own police/soldiers is appropriate.

If the answer is "never when they're armed," that's all well and good, but that pretty much just means "never."

Which means the Second Amendment should not be used as a means to protect ourselves from tyranny. That's all well and good too, if that's what people mean to say.


The short answer may seem trite but, I think we will know when. Resisting at a traffice stop isn't when.
  

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Reply #77 - Aug 11th, 2019 at 2:36pm
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Abe wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 2:15pm:
The onus may not be on the that person but what happens often depends on what they do. For most having a gun pointed at them is enough. Then there are those who like to challenge how far they can push it before a police officer feels threatened because they want to make a statement on their rights which might not be the time to do so. They can end up dead.


Very east to sit on a message board and evaluate this and say what should happen. Quite another thing to be sitting there starring at a few guns pointed at you.



Exactly my point hence why guns should only be involved in situations where they may be necessary.  Not every time a cop decides to confront someone.


  

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Wadsworth wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 9:18am:
Regulations are designed to protect the consumer and the worker.  If it doesn’t,it is not a regulation.



"Watched it.  A shotgun is for long ranged shooting.  That is why hunters like them.  An AR-15 is not.  That video was misleading.
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Reply #78 - Aug 11th, 2019 at 2:39pm
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Lomelis wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
Exactly my point hence why guns should only be involved in situations where they may be necessary.  Not every time a cop decides to confront someone.





I'm in agreement with that.
  

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Reply #79 - Aug 12th, 2019 at 12:54am
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Wadsworth wrote on Aug 11th, 2019 at 10:49am:
The problem here is not that people get shot for not doing what police say......The problem is that police will shoot you even if you are complying and just lie and say you were not complying

But very rare.

Sometimes cops get scared. Doesn't make it ok.
  

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