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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #10 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 2:31pm
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Fiddler wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 2:22pm:
That's absolute bullshit. .. . Religious folk love to misrepresent what a religion is to make it seem as though Atheism is.  Doing so makes them feel better about themselves somehow.. 

Theism is a belief in Gods .. Religion requires a deity.  Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. There is no god.

Religion requires a code of doctrine..   Atheism has no code of doctrine.

Religion has ordained ministers.  Atheism has no ministers of any kind.

There is no Atheist literature.. no rituals  .. no places of worship .. .

It takes the unequaled capacity for self-delusion of religious extremists to imagine Atheism to be a religion.



Will you continue to lie about this.. Yes..  Will I continue to mock you about your lying. ..  You bet'cha ..


You have faith that life happened out of nothing.  You have to have far greater faith in your belief then I do.  You can deny this if you want but it is true.  Life happened by accident can not be proven.
  

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #11 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 3:33pm
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 2:31pm:
You have faith that life happened out of nothing..


I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow.  That faith is based on empirical evidence.  You have Faith in a god.  Your Faith is based on no evidence..  In fact Faith demands the lack of evidence for if evidence existed you wouldn't need the blind acceptance of Faith.

Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 2:31pm:
You can deny this if you want but it is true. 


No.. Not at all but you have to tell yourself that to avoid questioning your Faith.

Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 2:31pm:
Life happened by accident can not be proven.



Nor can you prove that creation was spoken into existence.  In fact the evidence points to away from such spontaneous creation. 

Accident is your word.. .

Lightning causes nitrogen atoms to combine with oxygen to form nitrates that plants utilize..  It's not an accident ..it's just what happens when lightning strikes.

On any planet anywhere in the universe that nitrogen, oxygen and lightning coincide.. nitrates form.  It's not an accident ..it's just what happens when lightning strikes.

Anywhere in the universe when a base and an acid come in contact with one another they react to produce a salt.  It's not an accident ..it's just what happens when a base and an acid come in contact with one another.

The point is that anytime anywhere the building blocks for life coincide ..life happens.  The spark of life is knowable.  As with all such discoveries it's simply a matter of time until we understand..  Of course then you religious types will have to redefine what life is in order to keep your scam going... 






  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #12 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:24pm
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Your problem is there are no empirical evidence of life out of nothing.  You can't test the theory so you have to have faith it simply happened.  That is far more faith then my belief in a Creator.  I can point to historical evidence to include Jesus Christ, which history does not deny his existence yet no body can be discovered and the testimony of eyewitnesses.  Similarly eyewitness accounts of his acts of miracles.  SO I actually have far more then you do of your accidental beginning of life with the inability to tell us how the origins came into existence.
  

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #13 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:33pm
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Jasmine wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:22am:
The evangelicals’ gripe against Trump is a valid one. The only pushback I would give is that they should have known about his potty mouth before 2016. I sure did.

Moreover, as an evangelical, I would argue that Trump’s foul language is probably the least of his problems.


The problem is that some of my fellow Christians put up with (or even worse, excuse) behavior that they would vocally and publicly criticize as immoral if a Democrat were doing it.

This does more damage to the church in the eyes of the non-believer than anything any Democrat could ever do.
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:37pm
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Maestro wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
The problem is that some of my fellow Christians put up with (or even worse, excuse) behavior that they would vocally and publicly criticize as immoral if a Democrat were doing it.

This does more damage to the church in the eyes of the non-believer than anything any Democrat could ever do.

Should we also say the same about tolerating Hillary?  I do not elect strictly based on how moral a person is as we all know that even the most perfect person will NEVER get elected.  We base our decisions on who will deliver their promises.  The point of this thread is to guilt people to their side rather then offer up some views we could vote for.  Unfortunately the left is pushing further and further left where there will never be a Dem (Socialist) we can vote for.  Our choices are limited by those who are chosen by their primaries.
  

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Reply #15 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:41pm
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Kennedy was an immoral man, slept with other women outside of his marriage as is alleged, yet was he a good President?  It is not excusing, it is understanding that I live in a world with sin.  Not one of us is without it.
  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #16 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:45pm
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
Should we also say the same about tolerating Hillary?  I do not elect strictly based on how moral a person is as we all know that even the most perfect person will NEVER get elected.  We base our decisions on who will deliver their promises.  The point of this thread is to guilt people to their side rather then offer up some views we could vote for.  Unfortunately the left is pushing further and further left where there will never be a Dem (Socialist) we can vote for.  Our choices are limited by those who are chosen by their primaries.


The Christian Right (however you want to define that) has used personal immorality as a reason in and of itself not to vote for certain Democrat candidates. You know this is true.

Then their tune changed when Trump got the nod. Now it's all about "delivering promises" and understanding that no candidate is "perfect."

This is hypocrisy, one of the things that most angered our Master when he was on this earth.
  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #17 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:50pm
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Maestro wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:45pm:
The Christian Right (however you want to define that) has used personal immorality as a reason in and of itself not to vote for certain Democrat candidates. You know this is true.

Then their tune changed when Trump got the nod. Now it's all about "delivering promises" and understanding that no candidate is "perfect."

This is hypocrisy, one of the things that most angered our Master when he was on this earth.

As a Christian, I understand that there will always be immoral leaders and nothing I can do will prevent this.  I vote on the candidate who best subscribes to our Constitution and often, even immoral people will.  Yes, often people will justify their behavior.  The reality is we are all sinners, no one is exempt from this.  I think that Kennedy's behavior was immoral, Trump's behavior is immoral, Bill Clinton's behavior was immoral.  The reality is they were good leaders for either side.  Again, this is about guilting people to vote for their candidate despite their Socialist leanings.  Just is not going to happen.

I agree with your remarks as they are spot on.
  

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Reply #18 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:51pm
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:50pm:
As a Christian, I understand that there will always be immoral leaders and nothing I can do will prevent this.  I vote on the candidate who best subscribes to our Constitution and often, even immoral people will.  Yes, often people will justify their behavior.  The reality is we are all sinners, no one is exempt from this.  I think that Kennedy's behavior was immoral, Trump's behavior is immoral, Bill Clinton's behavior was immoral.  The reality is they were good leaders for either side.  Again, this is about guilting people to vote for your candidate despite their Socialist leanings.  Just is not going to happen.


And what did you say during the Clinton years? Did you use his behavior against him or did you say that we should instead focus on other issues, understanding that nobody is perfect?
  

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Reply #19 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:52pm
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Maestro wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 4:51pm:
And what did you say during the Clinton years? Did you use his behavior against him or did you say that we should instead focus on other issues?

I initially voted for Clinton.  I also was not a Christian then.
  

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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