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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #30 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 6:24pm
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Jasmine wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 6:02pm:
I agree with you on both counts. What's really appalling to me is that there are TV evangelists - specifically, Jim Bakker - who are openly defending everything Trump does. My suspicion is that they are doing this purely for financial gain by catering to Christians who blindly support Trump.

Look at Jerry Falwell Jr. He is a slavish Trump loyalist.
  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #31 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 6:29pm
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Vypr wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 6:24pm:
Look at Jerry Falwell Jr. He is a slavish Trump loyalist.

I've never seen him, but I have no doubt you are correct.

I will point out that there are Christians like me who voted for Trump and who pray for him to do better. Speaking just for myself, I support Trump because he has done a lot of things I agree with - things that Hillary never would have done. But I recognize that he has some real shortcomings as a leader, and I don't shy away from speaking on them.
  


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Reply #32 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 6:34pm
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 5:47pm:
Well, I have Christian brothers and sisters on both sides of the political spectrum.  It is a fallacy that only conservatives are Christians in the real world.


Yes, that's why I specified the "Christian Right" in my earlier post. That's who I'm talking about. I likewise have liberal and non-political Christian friends.
  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #33 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 6:49pm
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 5:51pm:
Never heard he was a Christian, heard his claims about his bibles which I thought was humorous.  No one is going to hell or is a bad Christian despite who they vote for.  If you can not resolve the fact that you live in a world of sin then no one qualifies as President. 


I do not need the President to be perfect or a Christian, but Trump cynically uses the trappings of Christianity to get the vote of the Christian Right while simultaneously going out of his way to be unchristian in public. That is a different kind of thing.

It's one thing to give a general nod to the Christian culture by attending church, public prayers and acceding to a general show of public piety, even when one doesn't actually believe. I'm not crazy about it, to be honest, but I get it. It's part of the culture and it's expected.

But he takes this to extremes. It's the extreme I find unacceptable because, in his case, he's sullying the name of Christian. Non-Christians see him and his Bible-waving and think "if that's what it means to be a Christian, I want no part of it." And can you blame them?

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God has used good and bad leaders to advance his cause.  The Bible is loaded with examples.  I make my choice based on what is best for our nation and sometimes, as we become more and more godless, the least godless is our only choice.


As did I. I found neither of the top two to be acceptable, so I voted for another.

However, I do not fault Christians for voting for Trump. I will say that again. I do not fault Christians for voting for Trump. I voted third party, but that doesn't make me a better person and, to be honest, I had it easier because there was absolutely no doubt which way the vote was going in my State. So, I had a freedom that people in battleground States do not have to cast a vote knowing it would affect the popular vote, but not the Electoral College. 

I fault those Christians who excuse in Trump what they have criticized and would criticize in a Democrat. In addition, I criticize those that gleefully celebrate him and his name. He might be a man to be tolerated as the lesser of two evils, but he is not a man to be celebrated.

That is where my problem is Seawolf. If you don't do that, then good. I'm glad, but many do and they're damaging the ability of the church to fulfill her mission.

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Not on earth, which is why I for one do not turn to political figures to help bring about God's kingdom. Not all Christians speak that way though.
  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #34 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 7:09pm
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True.  Though the world may revolve around politics, ours is around God.  In fact, our emphasis should be reaching the lost.  That is the reason we are still here, every thing else is secondary as believers as the Apostles demonstrated in the book of Acts.  I know who Trump is, as well as a lot of pur politicians, but who knows, God could very well be working on his heart.  In the end, only God will know their final judgement.  We can only pray for him and others as we are commanded to do.
  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #35 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 7:12pm
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Reply #36 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 7:34pm
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
Atheism is a religion and your faith is that accidents created life. 


Accidents created life?

No one who has actually studied evolution would agree with that incredibly naive statement.

Seawolf, you have studied your Bible, so I know it is possible for you to study something and know it well, but you have chosen NOT to study science, so please, stop making statements that just indicate how truly ignorant you are.
  
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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #37 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 7:46pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 7:34pm:
Accidents created life?

No one who has actually studied evolution would agree with that incredibly naive statement.

Seawolf, you have studied your Bible, so I know it is possible for you to study something and know it well, but you have chosen NOT to study science, so please, stop making statements that just indicate how truly ignorant you are.

Inform us what is the option outside a Creator.  Insults do not quailfy as an answer.  There are only 2 options, Created or accidental but feel free to educate.
  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #38 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 7:54pm
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 7:46pm:
Inform us what is the option outside a Creator.  Insults do not quailfy as an answer.  There are only 2 options, Created or accidental but feel free to educate.
I have asked this question and I never get an answer.
  

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #39 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 9:47pm
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 7:46pm:
Inform us what is the option outside a Creator.  Insults do not quailfy as an answer.  There are only 2 options, Created or accidental but feel free to educate.


Order is spontaneously achieved in systems with an energy input. There is no accident involved.
  
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