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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #40 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 10:08pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
Order is spontaneously achieved in systems with an energy input. There is no accident involved.
where did that energy come from?  What was it's origins?

You are also implying that that over billions of years everything is basically developing UPWARD, becoming more orderly and complex. However, this basic law of science (2nd Law of Thermodynamics) says the opposite. The pressure is DOWNWARD, toward simplification and disorder.

There is no recorded experiment in the history of science that contradicts the second law of thermodynamics.
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"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #41 - Aug 14th, 2019 at 11:33pm
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 10:08pm:
where did that energy come from?  What was it's origins?

You are also implying that that over billions of years everything is basically developing UPWARD, becoming more orderly and complex. However, this basic law of science (2nd Law of Thermodynamics) says the opposite. The pressure is DOWNWARD, toward simplification and disorder.

There is no recorded experiment in the history of science that contradicts the second law of thermodynamics.


You are adorable.

The universe is not a closed system, whereas the 2nd law only applies in those situations. And, in a closed system, as long as energy is not applied, your interpretation is accurate. Are you saying the universe is not infinite? Does your Bible tell you so?

We see spontaneous order all around us, from the simplest snowflake, to the hardest diamond. One of the great ironies of the 2nd law of thermodynamics is that if the universe became completely disordered, it would be in a state of perfect order.

Seawolf, it is bad enough when you use the Bible, a book you haven't even read yet, if you've never read it in its original language, but when you start trying to talk science as if you have any background in it at all, you just sound childish.
  
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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #42 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 6:44am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 11:33pm:
You are adorable.

The universe is not a closed system, whereas the 2nd law only applies in those situations. And, in a closed system, as long as energy is not applied, your interpretation is accurate. Are you saying the universe is not infinite? Does your Bible tell you so?

We see spontaneous order all around us, from the simplest snowflake, to the hardest diamond. One of the great ironies of the 2nd law of thermodynamics is that if the universe became completely disordered, it would be in a state of perfect order.

Seawolf, it is bad enough when you use the Bible, a book you haven't even read yet, if you've never read it in its original language, but when you start trying to talk science as if you have any background in it at all, you just sound childish.

Again, you proved nothing other then your snide insults which shows your weakness to argue your case.  I obviously know the Bible well enough to recognize your Messiah which you deny.  I also know scripture to understand that your people have a lengthy history of killing God's prophets when confronted by them.  Pride seems to be a close friend of yours and God hates pride.  Anyway, thermodynamics is not your friend and fails to support your theory of upward movement you call evolution.  As soon as you can show me that this law does not apply to your theory of evolution, I will concede.  The difference between you and I is I have no hate or disrespect for you.  Unfortunately the same can not be said about you.  Enjoy your day.
  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #43 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 6:50am
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We would probably have some great conversations if you never knew my political leaning.  Unfortunately your hate governs you.
  

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Reply #44 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 8:49am
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
I have asked this question and I never get an answer.



You've gotten an answer many times.  You got an answer yesterday but being a member of the protected class as you are my reply was deleted.
  

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Freon_Bale wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 11:33pm:
You are adorable.


You're wasting your fingers typing cogent well grounded replies to the fundagelicals . ..   They prefer magic..
  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #46 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 9:21am
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 6:44am:
Again, you proved nothing other then your snide insults which shows your weakness to argue your case.  I obviously know the Bible well enough to recognize your Messiah which you deny.  I also know scripture to understand that your people have a lengthy history of killing God's prophets when confronted by them.  Pride seems to be a close friend of yours and God hates pride.  Anyway, thermodynamics is not your friend and fails to support your theory of upward movement you call evolution.  As soon as you can show me that this law does not apply to your theory of evolution, I will concede.  The difference between you and I is I have no hate or disrespect for you.  Unfortunately the same can not be said about you.  Enjoy your day.


Once again, you bring up hate, Seawolf. You bring it up over and over, and claim it has no hold on you. If that is what you are being taught, then I want no part in your misguided beliefs.

I did explain to you why your interpretation of the 2nd law was inconsistent with how an actual scientist would see it, but you lack the vocabulary to understand what I said. This is why there is such a distance between 'common knowledge', and actual knowledge. And every day, that gap grows wider.

I am totally comfortable in my Judaism, that's why I don't need to defend it. You are so concerned about your belief, that you constantly need to tell us about it. Maybe lack of Faith is what makes a good conservative Christian. You sure make it seem that way.

The only type of people I mock are hypocrites and fools. Guess which you are...
  
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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #47 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 9:44am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 9:21am:
Once again, you bring up hate, Seawolf. You bring it up over and over, and claim it has no hold on you. If that is what you are being taught, then I want no part in your misguided beliefs.

I did explain to you why your interpretation of the 2nd law was inconsistent with how an actual scientist would see it, but you lack the vocabulary to understand what I said. This is why there is such a distance between 'common knowledge', and actual knowledge. And every day, that gap grows wider.

I am totally comfortable in my Judaism, that's why I don't need to defend it. You are so concerned about your belief, that you constantly need to tell us about it. Maybe lack of Faith is what makes a good conservative Christian. You sure make it seem that way.

The only type of people I mock are hypocrites and fools. Guess which you are...

I don't mock you because unlike you my friend, I realize that your people were blessed, not because of FB's behavior, but because of Abraham's faith.  It also is a sign that you really are not comfortable in your faith if you have to resort to insulting people.  That is not a sign of intelligence but of insecurities.  I also do not look down on you or attempt to mock your faith, something you can not seem to control nor will I call you a fool no matter how hard you try to stir up animosity towards you.  It is truly sad that you can not see that God created us all, you are special to him because he created you as he did me.  You are not mocking me as you are mocking God as we are all created in his image.

  Your so called faith is a poor reflection of your people and their faith, but I do not see you as the typical Jew.  You are simply FB who makes a claim he loves God while mocking the very people he created in His image.  Yes, I bring hate up because that is all you are capable of reflecting.  As I stated, if you had no idea my political leaning, I honestly think we would have a great discussion.  Unfortunately, your hatred of Trump and all those who voted for him clouds your ability to have a rational discussion.  I am not the only one who thinks that, you have caught some slack for your behavior on this forum.  Anyway, God bless you and your family and I hope you have a great day.   Smiley
  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #48 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 9:49am
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Fiddler wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 8:49am:
You've gotten an answer many times.  You got an answer yesterday but being a member of the protected class as you are my reply was deleted.   

No idea what reply you are referring to.  If admin deleted it then it obviously was across the line as is your norm.
  

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Re: ‘Using the Lord’s name in vain’: Evangelicals chafe at Trump’s blasphemy
Reply #49 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 9:52am
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Fiddler wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 8:59am:
You're wasting your fingers typing cogent well grounded replies to the fundagelicals . ..   They prefer magic..

1 Timothy 4:1 ESV
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Hebrews 6:4-6 ESV      
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

I still hold out hope for you.
  

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure (and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."

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