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Civil wars based on ethnic conflicts, last 50 years
Aug 14th, 2019 at 6:23pm
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Remember your Orwellian Motto of the Day:


"Diversity" = Strength     Wink



►  1991 uprisings in Iraq‎ 


►  Bangladesh Liberation War‎ 


►  Burundian Civil War‎


►  War in Darfur‎


►  Ethiopian Civil War‎ 


►  First Congo War‎ 


►  First Sudanese Civil War‎ 


►  Internal conflict in Myanmar‎


►  Lebanese Civil War‎ 


►  Intercommunal conflict in Mandatory Palestine‎


►  Nigerian Civil War‎ 


►  Second Congo War‎ 


►  Second Sudanese Civil War‎


►  Sri Lankan Civil War‎ 


►  Yugoslav Wars‎ 

  
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C,mon, c'mon - what say ye "diversity" dolts?   Grin
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 8:23am
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You forgot to mention "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland.  AND, the fight between Greece and Turkey over Cypress.

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Re: Civil wars based on ethnic conflicts, last 50 years
Reply #3 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 12:03pm
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patrick2 wrote on Aug 14th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
►  First Sudanese Civil War‎ 

►  Second Sudanese Civil War‎

As was pointed out in the previous thread, an exploitative government and control of natural resources (oil and water) were significant issues in/causes of those civil wars. See here and here.

Maybe if you quit running away from threads to start new ones you wouldn't miss this information - you know - the deep review you claim you haven't been getting (because you run away from the discussion).
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 12:18pm
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I am reminded of the old saying, "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

Patrick is clearly falling into that sort of thinking.

He's got his mind fixed on diversity being universally disruptive and has no mind for thinking about these issues in deep or nuanced manner.

There's no will to look beyond these assumption to consider the deeper context. Maybe there is something important in our political, cultural and institutional frameworks that can make diversity a strength or a weakness.

Context matters but that kind of nuanced analysis is not psychologically appealing to those who are biased against pluralism.

Far better to take a reductionist and simplistic view of complex problems and blame everything on "diversity."

The implied conclusion being that people should be segregated is lurking right under the surface of this discussion.

D-Man is at the right board.
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Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 2:03pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 12:18pm:
I am reminded of the old saying, "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

Patrick is clearly falling into that sort of thinking.

He's got his mind fixed on diversity being universally disruptive and has no mind for thinking about these issues in deep or nuanced manner.

There's no will to look beyond these assumption to consider the deeper context. Maybe there is something important in our political, cultural and institutional frameworks that can make diversity a strength or a weakness.

Context matters but that kind of nuanced analysis is not psychologically appealing to those who are biased against pluralism.

Far better to take a reductionist and simplistic view of complex problems and blame everything on "diversity."

The implied conclusion being that people should be segregated is lurking right under the surface of this discussion.

D-Man is at the right board.


When you have no counter-arguments, you say ""when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."  Grin  Really, debate the issue or quit cluttering the thread unless you have facts or arguments to offer.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 2:19pm
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patrick2 wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
When you have no counter-arguments, you say ""when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."  Grin  Really, debate the issue or quit cluttering the thread unless you have facts or arguments to offer.


So what do you think about "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland?

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patrick2 wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
When you have no counter-arguments, you say ""when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."  Grin  Really, debate the issue or quit cluttering the thread unless you have facts or arguments to offer.

First off, you're not making an argument. You're just making a list and throwing the idea out there that "diversity" is some universal harbinger of doom.

Secondly, I am making an argument. And so is Demos. You just don't seem to have a response to it.

I'll quote the core claim in my counter.

TowardLiberty wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 12:18pm:
There's no will to look beyond this assumption to consider the deeper context. Maybe there is something important in our political, cultural and institutional frameworks that can make diversity a strength or a weakness.

  

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Reply #8 - Aug 15th, 2019 at 3:18pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 2:32pm:
First off, you're not making an argument. You're just making a list and throwing the idea out there that "diversity" is some universal harbinger of doom.

Secondly, I am making an argument. And so is Demos. You just don't seem to have a response to it.

I'll quote the core claim in my counter.




I've given tons of facts that would be convincing to any reasonable person.  The destructive effects of ethnic conflict within states/empires/cities couldn't be more clear.  You, on the other hand, have offered no facts and no arguments.
  
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patrick2 wrote on Aug 15th, 2019 at 3:18pm:
I've given tons of facts that would be convincing to any reasonable person.  The destructive effects of ethnic conflict within states/empires/cities couldn't be more clear.  You, on the other hand, have offered no facts and no arguments.

No one argues that ethnic conflict is not destructive. The argument is whether diversity per se is the problem or whether or not cultural, political and institutional frameworks (context) matters more.

In that discussion I haven't seen you offer anything in the way of argument.
  

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