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Reply #20 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:52pm
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Seawolf wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 11:36am:
I will gladly admit this.  Both sides own this debt as neither has sought to address our 21 trillion dollar debt.  That irks me bigly.



  

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There is no plan in Washington. There never will be.
  

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Freon_Bale wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:49pm:
I hate to bring it up, because there is so much controversy around it, but what about our number one cost inequality in this country. Healthcare.

We pay twice as much as other nations, and have lower quality outcomes. We have WAY more hassle when we are sick, when we should be focusing on getting better. When I had cancer, the added stress of dealing with the billing costs and complexity was a burden I did not need.

If taxes went up to pay for it, resulting in more paycheck income coming home, then I am in favor of increased taxes.

In fact, in general, I am in favor of raising taxes as long as some concrete benefit comes back to me.


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Re: - what's the Democrat's plans to cut $1 trillion deficits?
Reply #23 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 1:14pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:49pm:
I hate to bring it up, because there is so much controversy around it, but what about our number one cost inequality in this country. Healthcare.

We pay twice as much as other nations, and have lower quality outcomes. We have WAY more hassle when we are sick, when we should be focusing on getting better. When I had cancer, the added stress of dealing with the billing costs and complexity was a burden I did not need.

If taxes went up to pay for it, resulting in more paycheck income coming home, then I am in favor of increased taxes.

In fact, in general, I am in favor of raising taxes as long as some concrete benefit comes back to me.


We have dumb dumbs shrieking that we must pay twice
as much to place a barricade between you and your doctor. You can’t invent ignorance like that.
  

Wally Wants A Wall wrote on Aug 13th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
In 2020, when President Trump is reelected and we retake the House and gain a fillabuster proof majority in the Senate, then you can blame President Trump and the Republicans for this continuing mess in Washington.


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Re: - what's the Democrat's plans to cut $1 trillion deficits?
Reply #24 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 1:28pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 12:49pm:
I hate to bring it up, because there is so much controversy around it, but what about our number one cost inequality in this country. Healthcare.

We pay twice as much as other nations, and have lower quality outcomes. We have WAY more hassle when we are sick, when we should be focusing on getting better. When I had cancer, the added stress of dealing with the billing costs and complexity was a burden I did not need.

If taxes went up to pay for it, resulting in more paycheck income coming home, then I am in favor of increased taxes.

In fact, in general, I am in favor of raising taxes as long as some concrete benefit comes back to me.


I would not say for certain we have twice the cost...the analyses never factor in the taxes paid that go to healthcare...$6 a gallon gas and 25% sales tax on most goods, as an example in denmark....and almost 100% pay federal taxes at almost the same % rate....vs. 50% paying here....

I would add that tort/friv suits are the number 1 contributor to cost....the US legal lobbying effort owns washington...other countries do not have this...

also, insurance and gov't regs are the 2nd contributor to cost...simply compare a direct doc/patient relationship for lasik surgery at maybe 3-5k for both eyes...a real deal considering the billions of research and equipment...need 10 stitches...add in all the admin, ins costs, middlemen, gov't req'd paperwork....you are paying the same amount for tech that is centuries old and done by a PA....that's the amount of the inefficiency....

in terms of quality...it seems most all of the "boats" are coming to the states for quality care...canadians routinely comes here (the ones with money) for serious issues...when I had cancer and was at the univ of miami center, there were many canadians, europeans, australians and s. africans who came here due to excessive waits for the most basic of tests....let alone starting chemo or stem cell (which in most cases was not an option there)...

outcome is tough to measure...some centers of excellence get the toughest cases referred to them....I know where I was, a center of excellence, they got the cases that were screwed up elsewhere, in other countries....does that mean a higher mortality rate means they are worse....
  
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Reply #25 - Aug 16th, 2019 at 3:28pm
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If Trump could get things done more quickly, and not have to fight all the (D) BS. He knows how to start paying the debt down. Build that wall, and stop the cost of supporting the border jumpers, and save 275 billion for starters.
Then to try and turn around more of the expensive mistakes by the former president that put us in debt more than all other presidents put together, the next challenge.
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Archie wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 3:28pm:
If Trump could get things done more quickly, and not have to fight all the (D) BS. He knows how to start paying the debt down. Build that wall, and stop the cost of supporting the border jumpers, and save 275 billion for starters.
Then to try and turn around more of the expensive mistakes by the former president that put us in debt more than all other presidents put together, the next challenge.
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But Archie, that is the MAIN point. This is NOT a business, it is a country. The president can't just say do it, and it gets done, unless he is able to CONVINCE the other side. It's called deal-making, something Trump was supposed to be phenomenal at. Turns out, he's a limp dick.

And what about the first two years of his being in power, when all three branches of government were Republican? Not one mile of wall built. Hillary was not locked up. No coal jobs saved, no steel jobs saved. He has massively underperformed for you, so the only reason you could possibly still like him is that he shares your racist ideology.
  
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Archie wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 3:28pm:
If Trump could get things done more quickly, and not have to fight all the (D) BS. He knows how to start paying the debt down. Build that wall, and stop the cost of supporting the border jumpers, and save 275 billion for starters.
Then to try and turn around more of the expensive mistakes by the former president that put us in debt more than all other presidents put together, the next challenge.
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I thought he was the deal-maker?  I thought he was the best guy to get everyone to agree.

He had full control of congress and was still able to do just one thing -- tax cuts -- which is the single easiest thing to do in DC.  Nothing else.  He's doing executive actions, sure, but nothing through congress, even when he owns it.
  

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Re: - what's the Democrat's plans to cut $1 trillion deficits?
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Freon_Bale wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
But Archie, that is the MAIN point. This is NOT a business, it is a country. The president can't just say do it, and it gets done, unless he is able to CONVINCE the other side. It's called deal-making, something Trump was supposed to be phenomenal at. Turns out, he's a limp dick.

And what about the first two years of his being in power, when all three branches of government were Republican? Not one mile of wall built. Hillary was not locked up. No coal jobs saved, no steel jobs saved. He has massively underperformed for you, so the only reason you could possibly still like him is that he shares your racist ideology.


I don't know about that - look at all the things obama said he would do, and either didn't even try or attempt or succeed...

n. korea/s. korea talking, nafta mess & renegotiation, prison reform, nato agreement restructuring & adherence....these were the majors that a president may be able to do one of...trump ticks them off like nothing....
  
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petep wrote on Aug 16th, 2019 at 3:44pm:
I don't know about that - look at all the things obama said he would do, and either didn't even try or attempt or succeed...

n. korea/s. korea talking, nafta mess & renegotiation, prison reform, nato agreement restructuring & adherence....these were the majors that a president may be able to do one of...trump ticks them off like nothing....


All I see is N Korea firing off tons of missiles. I see no actual change in the area.

NAFTA is still in effect. It's replacement is 95% identical to NAFTA, and it has not been ratified by Congress yet (or did I miss something?)

NATO Restructuring, at least financially? Ok, I'll give him that, but while he has forced NATO's hand, he's done it by alienating our allies. One step forward, three back. It will take decades to rebuild the relationships that he's harmed.

Prison Reform? You mean the First Step Act, which he will not fund? Yippee do, he passed a bill, but without funding, it is worthless, and he'd rather give tax breaks to rich people then fund this supposedly amazing bill. That's a fail.

You give him so much credit for doing virtually nothing. Yet Obama, he gets no credit at all. Obama inherited a massive recession, and he passed on a kick-ass economy to Trump. And Trump takes that great economy and still manages to mess it up with tariffs and deregulation.
  
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