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Reply #10 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:07pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
Was I suppose to make a rational comment from an irrational post?  Pollution is the cause of hurricanes now?  I see no rational behind this.


You are making the post irrational by interpreting it in a silly way. That's not discussing in good faith.

It's not irrational to point out warmer temperatures make hurricanes worse. But somehow you don't want to discuss that. You want to discuss your silly interpretation. You want to laugh at the idea that pollution causes hurricanes but FC never made that claim.
  

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Reply #11 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:15pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:06pm:
Poisoning the sea is one thing, .


What an emotional outburst ..  Grin  How can humans poison the sea?

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Reply #12 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:17pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
You are making the post irrational by interpreting it in a silly way. That's not discussing in good faith.

It's not irrational to point out warmer temperatures make hurricanes worse. But somehow you don't want to discuss that. You want to discuss your silly interpretation. You want to laugh at the idea that pollution causes hurricanes but FC never made that claim.

Again, let me summarize what I have said over and over and over.  You want this to be about man made climate change.  I have stated SHOW us you can alter climate, and this debate is over with.  We have recorded history of a variety of climate changes in the history of earth before man ever dreamed of the industrial revolution.  Yet this current climate change is all due to mankind!?  Ok, science is about proving one's theory.  Before I make life altering changes that will bring about hardship for my family demonstrate to us the ability to alter climate.  If what you state is true then you believe we are capable of altering our climate.  I want to see this demonstrated and THEN I will gladly side with you.  It is ridiculous to me to think we have mastered our climate without EVER having demonstrating this ability.
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:19pm
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Fiddler wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:15pm:
What an emotional outburst ..  Grin  How can humans poison the sea?

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Show us you can change our climate.  All the dire predictions carry no weight without evidence of success for the requirements we state is needed to avert the end of the world as we know it.
  

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Reply #14 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:22pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:19pm:
Show us you can change our climate. 


I have.. What would make showing you one more time different?

  

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Reply #15 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:25pm
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Fiddler wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:22pm:
I have.. What would make showing you one more time different?


You have not, we have a theory that if we cut back our emissions we can STOP climate change.  That is a theory that has yet to be proven.  We have never proven without a doubt that we can actually alter climate despite it's history of constant change and fluctuations before carbon fuels.
  

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Reply #16 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:27pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:17pm:
Again, let me summarize what I have said over and over and over.  You want this to be about man made climate change.  I have stated SHOW us you can alter climate, and this debate is over with.  We have recorded history of a variety of climate changes in the history of earth before man ever dreamed of the industrial revolution.  Yet this current climate change is all due to mankind!?  Ok, science is about proving one's theory.  Before I make life altering changes that will bring about hardship for my family demonstrate to us the ability to alter climate.  If what you state is true then you believe we are capable of altering our climate.  I want to see this demonstrated and THEN I will gladly side with you.  It is ridiculous to me to think we have mastered our climate without EVER having demonstrating this ability.

You're hoping from one straw man to another.

Right now all you are proving is that you can't discuss this topic in good faith.
  

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Reply #17 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:30pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
You're hoping from one straw man to another.

Right now all you are proving is that you can't discuss this topic in good faith.

No, I am having an honest discussion, you are not willing to see it from my viewpoint.  I am MORE then willing to concede you are right the moment you can show us we can alter our climate.  The irrational side is, you have to give up everything we deem as CO2 pollutants in order to demonstrate this.  Let's just say we did this and it fails to alter our climate, then what?  I can point to other climatic events outside of our industrial revolution and it is dismissed.
  

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Reply #18 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:35pm
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A new policy statement regarding the unproven link between stronger hurricanes and climate change was adopted by the World Meteorological Organization in December 2006, in response to the recommendations of a meeting of 125 hurricane researchers that attended a meeting in Costa Rica. The summary statement is posted at the World Meteorological Organization web site, and the ten main points are presented below. There is also a detailed statement with references to the scientific literature available at the WMO web site.

The surfaces of most tropical oceans have warmed by 0.25-0.5 degrees Celsius during the past several decades. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) considers that the likely primary cause of the rise in global mean surface temperature in the past 50 years is the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations. The global community of tropical cyclone researchers and forecasters as represented at the 6th International Workshop on Tropical Cyclones of the World Meteorological Organization has released a statement on the links between anthropogenic (human-induced) climate change and tropical cyclones, including hurricanes and typhoons. This statement is in response to increased attention on tropical cyclones due to the following events:

a) There have been a number of recent high-impact tropical cyclone events around the globe. These include 10 landfalling tropical cyclones in Japan in 2004, five tropical cyclones affecting the Cook Islands in a five-week period in 2005, Cyclone Gafilo in Madagascar in 2004, Cyclone Larry in Australia in 2006, Typhoon Saomai in China in 2006, and the extremely active 2004 and 2005 Atlantic tropical cyclone seasons--including the catastrophic socio-economic impact of Hurricane Katrina.

b) Some recent scientific articles have reported a large increase in tropical cyclone energy, numbers, and wind-speeds in some regions during the last few decades in association with warmer sea surface temperatures. Other studies report that changes in observational techniques and instrumentation are responsible for these increases.

1. Though there is evidence both for and against the existence of a detectable anthropogenic signal in the tropical cyclone climate record to date, no firm conclusion can be made on this point.

2. No individual tropical cyclone can be directly attributed to climate change.

3. The recent increase in societal impact from tropical cyclones has largely been caused by rising concentrations of population and infrastructure in coastal regions.

4. Tropical cyclone wind-speed monitoring has changed dramatically over the last few decades, leading to difficulties in determining accurate trends.

5. There is an observed multi-decadal variability of tropical cyclones in some regions whose causes, whether natural, anthropogenic or a combination, are currently being debated. This variability makes detecting any long-term trends in tropical cyclone activity difficult.

6. It is likely that some increase in tropical cyclone peak wind-speed and rainfall will occur if the climate continues to warm. Model studies and theory project a 3-5% increase in wind-speed per degree Celsius increase of tropical sea surface temperatures.

7. There is an inconsistency between the small changes in wind-speed projected by theory and modeling versus large changes reported by some observational studies.

8. Although recent climate model simulations project a decrease or no change in global tropical cyclone numbers in a warmer climate, there is low confidence in this projection. In addition, it is unknown how tropical cyclone tracks or areas of impact will change in the future.

9. Large regional variations exist in methods used to monitor tropical cyclones. Also, most regions have no measurements by instrumented aircraft. These significant limitations will continue to make detection of trends difficult.

10. If the projected rise in sea level due to global warming occurs, then the vulnerability to tropical cyclone storm surge flooding would increase.

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Reply #19 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:36pm
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Global warming means the oceans are warmer.  We know this is happening, because we can measure temperatures.  And we also know that hurricanes get stronger over warmer waters.  This is not a big leap, here.

CO2 captures energy in the biosphere.  We know this.  We have measured its effects.  We have measured infrared emission from the earth, over decades, and are seeing a reduction in heat emissions along the very bandwith that CO2 blocks.

We have had climate change in the past, but never remotely this quickly.  And this spike correlates exactly with industrial age emissions.

All of this will be brought to bear in legal cases that countries like the Bahamas will file, against polluters, to recover their significant losses.  There is precedent for this.  Even if YOU don't think the evidence links pollution to global warming, the COURTS will decide, and issue remedies.
  

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