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Re: What to do about Afghanistan
Reply #10 - Sep 8th, 2019 at 9:47pm
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Jasmine wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 7:39pm:
We should leave, but we shouldn’t be brokering any kind of deal with those desert primates.


Arguments why?
  
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Re: What to do about Afghanistan
Reply #11 - Sep 9th, 2019 at 2:01am
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I find it hard to believe that we have the greatest military and intelligence apparatus on the planet but we still need to be right there in the backyard of the terrorists.
  

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Re: What to do about Afghanistan
Reply #12 - Sep 9th, 2019 at 5:05am
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Michael and Jello wrote on Sep 9th, 2019 at 2:01am:
I find it hard to believe that we have the greatest military and intelligence apparatus on the planet but we still need to be right there in the backyard of the terrorists.



We can stop them by remote control?
  
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Re: What to do about Afghanistan
Reply #13 - Sep 9th, 2019 at 5:27am
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Afghanistan seems to be much more of a police/security action to allow the many moderate muslims to develop and over time gain power over the extremists...remember, the extremists have been in power since about 700 AD...and I'm not referring to the terrorists...I'm referring to the leaders that dictate approx 90% of all education is religious only, no womens rights, stoning of women...that is their normal...as long as they are in power, you will have frustrated men who are not mobile in todays world, and will be susceptible to terrorist activity believing the heyday was the ottoman empire and their god wants them to convert the world...
  
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Re: What to do about Afghanistan
Reply #14 - Sep 9th, 2019 at 8:49am
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patrick2 wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
[This is not directed at the "Ain't none of our business" crowd.  We've heard your simplistic grasp/solution a number of times, thank you.]

Lots of problems come with trying to graft conventional warfare concepts against nations onto fighting a guerilla war against a stateless military force.  One example is the idea of "winning".  In the case of WW2 with Germany and Japan, "winning" was destroying their governments and military and occupying their country.

In the case of Afghanistan, that is not appropriate or necessary.  What's needed is to prevent an IF takeover of Afghanistan - it's not necessary to "win" in the above sense to do that.  That's what was tried by both the Russians in 1980 and the US now.  Then is the alternative a meat-grinding war that never ends?  Not exactly. 

Remember, the idea is to prevent an IF takeover, not to "win" - two different things.   With limited forces, mostly airmobile infantry, IRBMs like Tomahawk, and fighter and bomber aircraft, the US can disrupt any IF attempt to take over the government.  In this way the costs, casualties, and manpower can be minimized.  What can't be minimized is the length of the "war".  It will go on as long as the IFs want it to.  Lots of things are like that.  How about medical efforts to fight bacteria and viruses?  Will the "war" there ever be "won"?  No. 

Remember the consequences of abandoning Afghanistan - an IF state, a home base where they can comfortably engineer attacks on the west, develop missiles and nukes and germ warfare.

If you're focus is solely on the Taliban and Afghanistan, then your solution has a huge blind spot: Pakistan.
  
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Re: What to do about Afghanistan
Reply #15 - Sep 9th, 2019 at 12:38pm
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patrick2 wrote on Sep 8th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
Come back when you can debate the issue.


There is nothing to debate about this with you.  You just keep spewing your same BS then runaway and start a new thread.

  

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Re: What to do about Afghanistan
Reply #16 - Sep 9th, 2019 at 12:51pm
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Demos wrote on Sep 9th, 2019 at 8:49am:
If you're focus is solely on the Taliban and Afghanistan, then your solution has a huge blind spot: Pakistan.


Exactamundo.  Given that large parts of Pakistan exist outside of govt jurisdiction, we have scoped this conflict poorly.  Militants, training, supplies, cash, etc -- all fuels the front lines in Afghanistan, so we will never resolve a war there without scoping it out.

There is almost no political will to do so, which suggests one of two approaches:
- bag it, get out, and let other regional powers take over
- come up with a region-wide peace plan, involving all stakeholders, that overcomes Pakistan's refusal to do anything.

The second option is clearly better, but would take years of commitment, deft diplomacy, UN involvement, and lots of hard work.  The US is clearly incapable of the job, so I imagine at some point China or Russia with step up to the plate, once our last helicopters leave their bases.
  

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Re: What to do about Afghanistan
Reply #17 - Sep 9th, 2019 at 1:28pm
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Lomelis wrote on Sep 9th, 2019 at 12:38pm:
There is nothing to debate about this with you.  You just keep spewing your same BS then runaway and start a new thread.




Will you PUH-LEEEEEEZ stop with your tiresome clutter?  You keep jumping in my threads even though you have nothing to add.
  
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Re: What to do about Afghanistan
Reply #18 - Sep 9th, 2019 at 1:30pm
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Demos wrote on Sep 9th, 2019 at 8:49am:
If you're focus is solely on the Taliban and Afghanistan, then your solution has a huge blind spot: Pakistan.



Plz recheck the thread title.  OF COURSE there are islamofascists in many countries.
  
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Re: What to do about Afghanistan
Reply #19 - Sep 9th, 2019 at 1:32pm
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petep wrote on Sep 9th, 2019 at 5:27am:
Afghanistan seems to be much more of a police/security action to allow the many moderate muslims to develop and over time gain power over the extremists...remember, the extremists have been in power since about 700 AD...and I'm not referring to the terrorists...I'm referring to the leaders that dictate approx 90% of all education is religious only, no womens rights, stoning of women...that is their normal...as long as they are in power, you will have frustrated men who are not mobile in todays world, and will be susceptible to terrorist activity believing the heyday was the ottoman empire and their god wants them to convert the world...


There's no doubt about all that - the islamists are bizarrely still living in the 7th century.  It's up to them if that's their life.  I'm only concerned with preventing their lunacy from harming the U.S.
  
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