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Reply #10 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 6:41am
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America is worn out. Let Germany take care of it.
  

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Re: Hong Kong "freedom" protesters reach out to trump...
Reply #11 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 6:48am
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petep wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 6:59am:
This is interesting...The freedom seeking hong kong protesters are reaching out to trump to liberate them from the far left, socialist brutal communist regime running china...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/09/hong-kong-police-fire-tear-gas-as-protesters-van...

that speak volumes about how freedom seekers on the other side of our planet see trump, versus those on the left...


From that OP article:

Thousands of protesters earlier sang the Star Spangled Banner and called on U.S. President Donald Trump to “liberate” the city.

It sounds like we'll be greeted as liberators. Put your boots on and let's go!
  

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Reply #12 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 6:53am
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How it's going to go is China's going to get it's way with Hong Kong. The question is how long and destructive the conflict will be before that happens. Anything the US does to support Hong Kong will embolden the protesters and lead to a longer more destructive conflict, but with the same ultimate result: China gets its way. American intervention will therefore do nothing but cause increased harm.

This was the lesson of Syria. Without overwhelming force by the US, Assad was going to win that conflict. The question was, how long would it take? If the US had stayed out completely, the conflict would have been over in less than a year with Assad the winner, hundreds of thousands fewer people would have died, and there would be no refugee crisis. Instead the US took sides and strengthened the rebels, which prolonged the conflict, killed hundreds of thousands of people, and caused a mass refugee crisis, and even still, Assad is going to win.

Just because something is bad doesn't mean you can't make it a lot worse.
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:11pm
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petep wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 6:59am:
This is interesting...The freedom seeking hong kong protesters are reaching out to trump to liberate them from the far left, socialist brutal communist regime running china...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/09/hong-kong-police-fire-tear-gas-as-protesters-van...

that speak volumes about how freedom seekers on the other side of our planet see trump, versus those on the left...


You give far too much credit to the individual (Trump) and not near enough to our society.

Trump will let Xi slaughter them, and we all know it. The lesson learned will be not to count on the USA to stand up for democracy or human rights.
  

If you are more fortunate than others, build a longer table, not a taller fence.

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Reply #14 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:19pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:11pm:
You give far too much credit to the individual (Trump) and not near enough to our society.

Trump will let Xi slaughter them, and we all know it. The lesson learned will be not to count on the USA to stand up for democracy or human rights.

If Trump were to intervene how should he go about doing it?
  

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Reply #15 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:24pm
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Michael and Jello wrote on Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:19pm:
If Trump were to intervene how should he go about doing it?


Not by military force, that much I know.

Twitter is his favored bully pulpit. More tariffs? I'd prefer sanctions myself.
  

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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:24pm:
Not by military force, that much I know.

Twitter is his favored bully pulpit. More tariffs? I'd prefer sanctions myself.

I thought tariffs were evil. Won't sanctions make it harder for Trump to negotiate with China over trade?

  

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Reply #17 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:47pm
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Michael and Jello wrote on Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:38pm:
I thought tariffs were evil. Won't sanctions make it harder for Trump to negotiate with China over trade?



Tariffs aren't evil. I'm not all that opposed to their use either. I just think they're easily countered (trade war) resulting in loss-loss.

If (when) the crack-down occurs, I'd like to see a stronger reaction than Tienanmen (we gave them MFN status within a couple/few years?). Even a bit of lip service to democracy and human rights would be nice. Yeah, it'd be empty, but it'd be on record.

Remember when the USA claimed to care about those things?

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Reply #18 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:53pm
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Mojo-Jojo wrote on Sep 11th, 2019 at 7:47pm:
Tariffs aren't evil. I'm not all that opposed to their use either. I just think they're easily countered (trade war) resulting in loss-loss.

If (when) the crack-down occurs, I'd like to see a stronger reaction than Tienanmen (we gave them MFN status within a couple/few years?). Even a bit of lip service to democracy and human rights would be nice. Yeah, it'd be empty, but it'd be on record.

Remember when the USA claimed to care about those things?

Pepperidge Farms remembers~!  Undecided


You know what the reaction will be.

If Trump imposes tariffs the argument will be it will kill the economy and he hates the farmers.

If he imposes sanctions the argument will be he wants a war with China and is an idiot.

If he intervenes militarily somehow he will be called a warmonger and wants a war with China.

If he does nothing it will be "Trump let Xi slaughter them, and we all knew it"

No matter what he decides to do it will be worthy of impeachment.

it seems this foreign policy thing isn't as easy as some like to think.
  

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Re: Hong Kong "freedom" protesters reach out to trump...
Reply #19 - Sep 11th, 2019 at 8:05pm
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Hong Kong is gone.  The issue is the Republic of China and the south china sea.
  
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