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Re: Upgrades Needed For Sustained F-22 Operations During A Crisis In Europe Axed For Wall
Reply #20 - Sep 10th, 2019 at 3:12pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 11:20am:
He was elected PRIMARILY based on that promise.  So the people want this.  Hey, in the end he gets it and Congress will fund it in a round about way by providing those funds from where he pulled it.   Wink


Congress was elected in 2018 and Trump lost the house.  Trump was unable to get congress to fund his wall even when he had unified control of govt, and he is clearly unable to get it now that he lost his popular mandate.  Obamacare still stands because it was enacted by congress.  Trump is BYPASSING the will of the people, as expressed in the mid-term elections.
  

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Reply #21 - Sep 10th, 2019 at 3:13pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 2:54pm:
How?  When they could not muster up the 60 vote super majority they changed the rules for a simple majority.


I hate to point this out but, the constitution calls for a simple majority.  60 votes is needed to break a filibuster.  You recall when Ted Kennedy died they had to switch to using budget reconciliation which only requires a simple majority.  Again, how is this "jamming"?  AND, this was Congress excersizing it's power.  It's what they do.  Trump is circumventing Congress to pull money, authorized by Congress, from national defense and put it into his wall.  There are still some questions about the legality of that.  Oh yeah, if you recall, the Dems had a deal with the Republicans to give Trump money for border security.  He blew that up and shut down the government.  So now, he has to weakened the military by taking the money from them.

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Reply #22 - Sep 10th, 2019 at 3:49pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 3:13pm:
I hate to point this out but, the constitution calls for a simple majority.  60 votes is needed to break a filibuster.  You recall when Ted Kennedy died they had to switch to using budget reconciliation which only requires a simple majority.  Again, how is this "jamming"?  AND, this was Congress excersizing it's power.  It's what they do.  Trump is circumventing Congress to pull money, authorized by Congress, from national defense and put it into his wall.  There are still some questions about the legality of that.  Oh yeah, if you recall, the Dems had a deal with the Republicans to give Trump money for border security.  He blew that up and shut down the government.  So now, he has to weakened the military by taking the money from them.

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Thank you, will remind you of this when the Rep do this.   Wink  Do not worry, the military has not been weakened.  I am for securing our border and since the Dems sole purpose is to simply obstruct Trump, this action works for me.  It will be nice to finally resolve this issue
  

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Reply #23 - Sep 10th, 2019 at 4:02pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 3:49pm:
Thank you, will remind you of this when the Rep do this.   Wink  Do not worry, the military has not been weakened.  I am for securing our border and since the Dems sole purpose is to simply obstruct Trump, this action works for me.  It will be nice to finally resolve this issue


And I will remind YOU when the incoming Dem president declares a gun emergency, orders an assault weapons ban and buy back program and takes the money from the  military.

It won't weaken them of course.

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Reply #24 - Sep 10th, 2019 at 4:08pm
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Anyone want to bet that the upcoming budget will be theft proof?
  

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Reply #25 - Sep 10th, 2019 at 4:09pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 4:02pm:
And I will remind YOU when the incoming Dem president declares a gun emergency, orders an assault weapons ban and buy back program and takes the money from the  military.

It won't weaken them of course.

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I guess we can assume you are an open border advocate.  Still using that 2 wrongs make a right issue?   Grin
  

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Cades Cove wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
Anyone want to bet that the upcoming budget will be theft proof?

Unless a Dem wins.  We know how this game is played.
  

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Reply #27 - Sep 10th, 2019 at 4:13pm
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Greg55_99 wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 4:02pm:
And I will remind YOU when the incoming Dem president declares a gun emergency, orders an assault weapons ban and buy back program and takes the money from the  military.

It won't weaken them of course.

Greg



I genuinely can't see anyone banning them - there are 5-10 million in the US...its one of the least used guns in crime...tho one of the most used in mass shootings..which is such a tiny tiny handful fraction of the millions that are out there...what is the gov't going to say...ok you 7.5 million, turn them in because 4 people used them last year to commit a murder...

should we ban cars because some irresponsible drunk drivers use cars to kill at least 30 people each day??
  
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Reply #28 - Sep 10th, 2019 at 4:15pm
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Seawolf wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 3:49pm:
Thank you, will remind you of this when the Rep do this.   Wink  Do not worry, the military has not been weakened.  I am for securing our border and since the Dems sole purpose is to simply obstruct Trump, this action works for me.  It will be nice to finally resolve this issue


Ah.  So the military has billions of unneeded cash just laying around.

Sounds like we should cut defense spending.
  

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petep wrote on Sep 10th, 2019 at 4:13pm:
I genuinely can't see anyone banning them - there are 5-10 million in the US...its one of the least used guns in crime...tho one of the most used in mass shootings..which is such a tiny tiny handful fraction of the millions that are out there...what is the gov't going to say...ok you 7.5 million, turn them in because 4 people used them last year to commit a murder...

should we ban cars because some irresponsible drunk drivers use cars to kill at least 30 people each day??

What are they going to do when the majority of these owners refuse to abide by the law?  That is a nightmare for lawmakers.  It happened I believe in Ct. if I recall.
  

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