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What is the difference?
Sep 11th, 2019 at 9:18pm
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Too close for comfort.

Do I understand the (d) platform?
The Democratic Party's philosophy of modern liberalism advocates social and economic equality, along with the welfare state. It seeks to provide government regulation in the economy.



And the communist platform?

Communism is economic and political in its requirement that government be the central owner and decision maker in all matters. Communism rejects any religion and in a true Communist state religion is effectively abolished.


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Re: What is the difference?
Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 9:27am
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Very little...let me add some clarity...

AOC and Sanders - two of the most prominent members of the democratic party belong to the Democratic Socialists of America...

from this group:


"The DSA regards the abolition of capitalism and the realization of socialism as a gradual long-term goal, therefore the organization focuses its immediate political energies on reforms within capitalism that empower working people while decreasing the power of corporations:[116][117][118][119]

As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people."

not too difficult to understand where they would like to see this go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America
  
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Re: What is the difference?
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Archie wrote on Sep 11th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
Too close for comfort.

Do I understand the (d) platform?
The Democratic Party's philosophy of modern liberalism advocates social and economic equality, along with the welfare state. It seeks to provide government regulation in the economy.



And the communist platform?

Communism is economic and political in its requirement that government be the central owner and decision maker in all matters. Communism rejects any religion and in a true Communist state religion is effectively abolished.


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The only part you got right is the social and economic equality, and even that is barely accurate. 'Equality' is not what liberals want, it is fairness. Equal access to opportunity.

The other stuff you said is just made-up talking points to support your incorrect notion that the Right is somehow superior.

You don't like regulation? How about the vaping epidemic we are having? Should the market itself, through normal commerce, allow vaping vendors to advertise to children, creating fruit-flavored products that children take as a gateway drug?

Or should our government step in (as it is, and should), and regulate that these companies should not be targeting children.
  
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Re: What is the difference?
Reply #3 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:20am
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petep wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 9:27am:
Very little...let me add some clarity...

AOC and Sanders - two of the most prominent members of the democratic party belong to the Democratic Socialists of America...

from this group:


"The DSA regards the abolition of capitalism and the realization of socialism as a gradual long-term goal, therefore the organization focuses its immediate political energies on reforms within capitalism that empower working people while decreasing the power of corporations:[116][117][118][119]

As we are unlikely to see an immediate end to capitalism tomorrow, DSA fights for reforms today that will weaken the power of corporations and increase the power of working people."

not too difficult to understand where they would like to see this go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America


Why the abolition of capitalism?  Oh, that's right.  Making profit bad.  Relying on govt handouts good.

What "power" of the working class will be raised?   Anyone know?  What power are we lacking?  Such nice words, though.  Warms the heart, doesn't it?

On edit:  Are they going to remove the definition and word "independence" from the dictionary and all conversation?
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:57am
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crepe05 wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:20am:
Why the abolition of capitalism?  Oh, that's right.  Making profit bad.  Relying on govt handouts good.

What "power" of the working class will be raised?   Anyone know?  What power are we lacking?  Such nice words, though.  Warms the heart, doesn't it?

On edit:  Are they going to remove the definition and word "independence" from the dictionary and all conversation?


exactly - if you belong to the KKK and go to their meetings...its a fair assumption you share the views of the organization...
  
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Re: What is the difference?
Reply #5 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 7:12pm
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There's no light between Communism and the Democrat platform.

They are the same.

I mean just look at history. Exactly. The. Same.
  

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may all time favorite talking point of the left...when you bring up stalin, lenin, mao, chavez, che, castro, german workers socialist party....etc etc etc...

is:

"they weren't really socialists - they just said they were to trick the people...then when the people fell for it, then they abused them"


ahhhh...ok...
  
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Re: What is the difference?
Reply #7 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:03pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:18am:
The only part you got right is the social and economic equality, and even that is barely accurate. 'Equality' is not what liberals want, it is fairness. Equal access to opportunity.

The other stuff you said is just made-up talking points to support your incorrect notion that the Right is somehow superior.

You don't like regulation? How about the vaping epidemic we are having? Should the market itself, through normal commerce, allow vaping vendors to advertise to children, creating fruit-flavored products that children take as a gateway drug?

Or should our government step in (as it is, and should), and regulate that these companies should not be targeting children.


What is not fair? You are free to get an education, or learn a trade, maybe start your own company of some kind. You are free to pick any job you are capable of doing and be hired. If you are not capable or educated enough, that is your problem. Not the company looking for the best to work for them. Do you think you should be paid the same as the guy that set up the machine you are feeding? Or the guy that can repair it if it breaks, or the guy that built it. Or the engineer that drew up the prints that the other guy followed to make the tools that the machine uses to stamp those parts out. Or the guy that watches everything going on and puts the right people in the right place to keep production going. Or maybe you want to be paid the same as the president of the company. I am sure you would never understand what they do every day.

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Re: What is the difference?
Reply #8 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:11pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:18am:
The only part you got right is the social and economic equality, and even that is barely accurate. 'Equality' is not what liberals want, it is fairness. Equal access to opportunity.

The other stuff you said is just made-up talking points to support your incorrect notion that the Right is somehow superior.

You don't like regulation? How about the vaping epidemic we are having? Should the market itself, through normal commerce, allow vaping vendors to advertise to children, creating fruit-flavored products that children take as a gateway drug?

Or should our government step in (as it is, and should), and regulate that these companies should not be targeting children.

The vaping epidemic. Something like that can only be stopped by law. And who is in charge of the laws? We have laws for many things. It is not easy to buy dynamite. Drugs are controlled, we have many laws. Something killing the people should be stopped, just like all the illegal drugs killing a lot more people than the vaping every day. But so many do not want that wall. Smoking cigarettes kill, alcohol kills, and some people just do not use their brains well enough and shorten or end their own lives. How many laws do we have to pass? It looks like a lot of the human race is not too bright.
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Reply #9 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 10:00am
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Archie wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:03pm:
What is not fair? You are free to get an education, or learn a trade, maybe start your own company of some kind. You are free to pick any job you are capable of doing and be hired. If you are not capable or educated enough, that is your problem. Not the company looking for the best to work for them. Do you think you should be paid the same as the guy that set up the machine you are feeding? Or the guy that can repair it if it breaks, or the guy that built it. Or the engineer that drew up the prints that the other guy followed to make the tools that the machine uses to stamp those parts out. Or the guy that watches everything going on and puts the right people in the right place to keep production going. Or maybe you want to be paid the same as the president of the company. I am sure you would never understand what they do every day.

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If, because of the color of your skin, or your ethnicity, religion, or sexual preference, you are denied access to a loan for that business, or are denied an education because your public school is not given as much money, or you are not given a second chance because the justice system is systemically more likely to incarcerate you, then all those effort-based examples you gave mean nothing.

You are part of the majority, so none of this effects you. But to the millions who are not, it is a well-recognized problem that TRUE Americans of any ethnicity or life choice understand and want to correct. That you don't, just reinforces our view that you are Archie Bunker.
  
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