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Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:09am
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Since 28% (I think that's the percentage) of dems want to make the NRA an illegal organization, why don't we talk about making the Democrat Party an illegal organization?  it makes as much sense.
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:13am
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crepe05 wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:09am:
Since 28% (I think that's the percentage) of dems want to make the NRA an illegal organization, why don't we talk about making the Democrat Party an illegal organization?  it makes as much sense.


And this is why most of our scientists, artists, and other creative talents are not conservatives. You have really bad ideas.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:19am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:13am:
And this is why most of our scientists, artists, and other creative talents are not conservatives. You have really bad ideas.

But violating the First Amendment to freely assemble by calling the NRA a terrorist group is a good idea?   Undecided
  

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crepe05 wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:09am:
Since 28% (I think that's the percentage) of dems want to make the NRA an illegal organization, why don't we talk about making the Democrat Party an illegal organization?  it makes as much sense.


Well, since 15% of Republicans also want to make the NRA an illegal organization, does that make the GOP a half-assed party?

Oh, wait.

It already is half-assed.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:24am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:13am:
And this is why most of our scientists, artists, and other creative talents are not conservatives. You have really bad ideas.


LOL.  I got it from you guys wanting to make the NRA illegal organization.
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:32am
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Ulysses wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:22am:
Well, since 15% of Republicans also want to make the NRA an illegal organization, does that make the GOP a half-assed party?

Oh, wait.

It already is half-assed.


Well, since I have already stated how stupid that idea is, and 85% of Republicans don't want to make the NRA illegal, I would say that only
!5% of the GOP is half-assed.  T'aint bad since a fair number of your people voted on our side in the 2016 election.  We'll shape them up with our giving power back to the people  instead of to the govt programs.  President Trump has already begun that. 











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Seawolf wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 10:19am:
But violating the First Amendment to freely assemble by calling the NRA a terrorist group is a good idea?   Undecided


I have no issues with the NRA, so I cannot speak for that group you feel is threatening you.

My question is simple in all this. Can you be for the 2nd amendment, and NOT be a gun lover. Because that is my position. I have no problem with people owning guns, as long as they use them exclusively for defense or hunting. Using them as a hobby is wrong to me, no different than owning a flamethrower or LAW Rocket.

Guns should not be fun. Guns are not toys. They are for killing, and nothing else.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:45am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:12am:
I have no issues with the NRA, so I cannot speak for that group you feel is threatening you.

My question is simple in all this. Can you be for the 2nd amendment, and NOT be a gun lover. Because that is my position. I have no problem with people owning guns, as long as they use them exclusively for defense or hunting. Using them as a hobby is wrong to me, no different than owning a flamethrower or LAW Rocket.

Guns should not be fun. Guns are not toys. They are for killing, and nothing else.


very odd post...if weapons are to be used for defense and hunting, the user should be well practiced...or, as the founders put it, the militia (defined as all able bidied citizens)  should be "well regulated" (which I've seen uneducated people here try to claim that phrase has something to do with legislated - obviously they have never read the federalist papers or any number of sources from that time that explains the phrase to mean well practiced and trained)..

as most any athlete will tell you, you get great at something when you fall in love with practicing it...

I personally find target practice very focusing and relaxing...I have a 100 yard shooting range behind my house...so later today to wind down, I will do some target shooting....it is a hobby.

though, we should probably tell the military to ground all their jets, weapons and tanks, as they are only to be used for war, not practice...
  
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:12am:
I have no issues with the NRA, so I cannot speak for that group you feel is threatening you.

My question is simple in all this. Can you be for the 2nd amendment, and NOT be a gun lover. Because that is my position. I have no problem with people owning guns, as long as they use them exclusively for defense or hunting. Using them as a hobby is wrong to me, no different than owning a flamethrower or LAW Rocket.

Guns should not be fun. Guns are not toys. They are for killing, and nothing else.


However, it's a good idea to practice shooting the weapon so that you have a good chance of shooting the bad guy.  Do you consider that a hobby?   I call it practice.  Does the fact that I enjoy the practice make a difference in your mind?
  
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petep wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:45am:
very odd post...if weapons are to be used for defense and hunting, the user should be well practiced...or, as the founders put it, the militia (defined as all able bidied citizens)  should be "well regulated" (which I've seen uneducated people here try to claim that phrase has something to do with legislated - obviously they have never read the federalist papers or any number of sources from that time that explains the phrase to mean well practiced and trained)..

as most any athlete will tell you, you get great at something when you fall in love with practicing it...

I personally find target practice very focusing and relaxing...I have a 100 yard shooting range behind my house...so later today to wind down, I will do some target shooting....it is a hobby.

though, we should probably tell the military to ground all their jets, weapons and tanks, as they are only to be used for war, not practice...


You have chosen to misconstrue what I said as not advocating practice and training, which is just a poor assumption on your part.

I strongly believe in both, with certification to prove that the training took place, coupled with mental health checks to make sure that ownership and use are appropriate.

Practice and training do not make it a hobby. Owning 18 shotguns does. Owning weapons that statistically are shown to be inappropriate for defense or hunting is. Going off into the desert to shoot beer cans is. Modifying your guns to create capabilities unnecessary for defense and hunting is. Collecting them is. GUNS ARE FOR KILLING, not playing with.

You buy a gun. You train and practice with it in appropriate settings (a range, or at home), and that's it. You get a hunting license to hunt, and that gives you access to a broader range of guns, each of which you need to be trained and certified on. There should be no fun tied to guns. If they are treated as killing tools, and you are using them in that capacity, then you are following the intended principles of our Founders.
  
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