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Ruth Bader Ginsburg Shuts Down Democrat “Dream” Of Scrapping Electoral College
Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:06am
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg Shuts Down Democrat “Dream” Of Scrapping Electoral College

By: Kaley
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Members of the far-left like AOC and crew have been pushing for the abolishment of our nation’s Electoral College voting system established by our forefathers to ensure every Americans’ voice is heard ever since Trump won the election in 2016.

They’ve used every play in the book to keep up their delusion that it wasn’t really the American people who voted Trump into office, rather it was some sort of foul play, be it Russia or a “corrupt Electoral College” that made Donald Trump America’s 45th president.

However, the Democrat dream to get rid of the Electoral College is just that. A dream.

That is at least if longstanding Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg – who has in the past expressed support for a popular vote vs. Electoral College – is right.

Ms. Ginsburg told it like it is regarding the hopes of the Democrats to throw a wrench in our nation’s voting system to skew it in their favor and get back control of our country as the people’s support of their party dwindles,

It’s largely a dream because our Constitution is … hard to amend. I know that from experience.”

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said this week that efforts to scrap the Electoral College are “more theoretical than real," according to a report.

“It’s largely a dream because our Constitution is … hard to amend,” Ginsburg said while speaking at the University of Chicago on Monday, The Chicago Sun-Times reported. “I know that from experience.”

The 86-year-old justice has previously expressed support for moving to a popular vote.

"There are some things I would like to change. One is the Electoral College,” Ginsburg said in 2017, according to The Hill. “But that would require a constitutional amendment, and amending our Constitution is powerfully hard to do.”


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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Shuts Down Democrat “Dream” Of Scrapping Electoral College
Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:19am
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stu_gatze wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:06am:
Ruth Bader Ginsburg Shuts Down Democrat “Dream” Of Scrapping Electoral College

By: Kaley
10 hours ago

https://welovetrump.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ruth-bader-768x513.jpg

Members of the far-left like AOC and crew have been pushing for the abolishment of our nation’s Electoral College voting system established by our forefathers to ensure every Americans’ voice is heard ever since Trump won the election in 2016.

They’ve used every play in the book to keep up their delusion that it wasn’t really the American people who voted Trump into office, rather it was some sort of foul play, be it Russia or a “corrupt Electoral College” that made Donald Trump America’s 45th president.

However, the Democrat dream to get rid of the Electoral College is just that. A dream.

That is at least if longstanding Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg – who has in the past expressed support for a popular vote vs. Electoral College – is right.

Ms. Ginsburg told it like it is regarding the hopes of the Democrats to throw a wrench in our nation’s voting system to skew it in their favor and get back control of our country as the people’s support of their party dwindles,

It’s largely a dream because our Constitution is … hard to amend. I know that from experience.”

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said this week that efforts to scrap the Electoral College are “more theoretical than real," according to a report.

“It’s largely a dream because our Constitution is … hard to amend,” Ginsburg said while speaking at the University of Chicago on Monday, The Chicago Sun-Times reported. “I know that from experience.”

The 86-year-old justice has previously expressed support for moving to a popular vote.

"There are some things I would like to change. One is the Electoral College,” Ginsburg said in 2017, according to The Hill. “But that would require a constitutional amendment, and amending our Constitution is powerfully hard to do.”


MORE>https://welovetrump.com/2019/09/12/ruth-bader-ginsburg-shuts-down-democrat-dream...


I agree, she is wise.

She has changed many difficult laws in our country, and she is saying that changing the electoral college system will also be difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.

And let's face it. The only reason you do NOT want it changed is because you do not believe that the majority should rule, because you are not in the majority. If the roles were reversed, you'd be all over changing it.

That is why your side is so disrespected. You will do ANYTHING to get your way, be it sacrificing your values, denying fellow Americans a voice, or whatever it takes to make your way, THE way. You are hypocrites, and don't understand that this country is ALL of ours, not just yours.
  
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Shuts Down Democrat “Dream” Of Scrapping Electoral College
Reply #2 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:30am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:19am:
I agree, she is wise.

She has changed many difficult laws in our country, and she is saying that changing the electoral college system will also be difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.

And let's face it. The only reason you do NOT want it changed is because you do not believe that the majority should rule, because you are not in the majority. If the roles were reversed, you'd be all over changing it.

That is why your side is so disrespected. You will do ANYTHING to get your way, be it sacrificing your values, denying fellow Americans a voice, or whatever it takes to make your way, THE way. You are hypocrites, and don't understand that this country is ALL of ours, not just yours.


That is an extraordinarily odd, uneducated opinion...you opine as though the electoral college system is a radical, recent position...it was put in place to avoid a system of large states, or populated areas dominating the politicians...and politicians pandering only to those people...it was meant to provide some degree of fairness across the country and across the states...

we are a republic...the majority is not always right....if it were, the civil war would have ended and slavery continued when most wanted lincoln to end the war...there are countless examples of principle over majority...

you can do much better freon...
  
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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg Shuts Down Democrat “Dream” Of Scrapping Electoral College
Reply #3 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:31am
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:19am:
I agree, she is wise.

She has changed many difficult laws in our country, and she is saying that changing the electoral college system will also be difficult. Not impossible, but difficult.

And let's face it. The only reason you do NOT want it changed is because you do not believe that the majority should rule, because you are not in the majority. If the roles were reversed, you'd be all over changing it.

That is why your side is so disrespected. You will do ANYTHING to get your way, be it sacrificing your values, denying fellow Americans a voice, or whatever it takes to make your way, THE way. You are hypocrites, and don't understand that this country is ALL of ours, not just yours.


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Our founding fathers WERE the WISE ones, .. NOT Ruth Bader Ginsburg! -- The Founders did NOT want only the bigger, more populous states deciding entire election outcomes.  Angry

You NEED to read and understand history .. unless of course, you too are a Leftist, then.. it is perfectly understandable why you don't like the electorate system either!  Roll Eyes
  

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W are not a democracy.  We are a Republic.  I do wish that you had been taught that in school.  There is a difference; a very good difference for the voters.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic
  
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petep wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:30am:
That is an extraordinarily odd, uneducated opinion...you opine as though the electoral college system is a radical, recent position...it was put in place to avoid a system of large states, or populated areas dominating the politicians...and politicians pandering only to those people...it was meant to provide some degree of fairness across the country and across the states...

we are a republic...the majority is not always right....if it were, the civil war would have ended and slavery continued when most wanted lincoln to end the war...there are countless examples of principle over majority...

you can do much better freon...


Our founders also said that slavery was acceptable, but we changed that. Our founders said that women should not vote. We changed that too.

The fact that built into our original documents is the means to change them implies that the Founders intended the documents to be changed. That's just basic logic.

And why would they give us this ability, if not to adapt our governing laws to the times. The Judiciary branch is also a mechanism to adapt our original documents to the times. It asks the question, 'what did they intend, and is it applicable to now.'

Your problem, the far Right's problem, is that you see our founding documents to be like the Bible, immutable and perfect in its original state and intention. Well. Welcome to 2019. You don't stone your disobedient children like your Bible tells you to (Deuteronomy 21:18–21), because it is obviously inappropriate for today's time. So too, you should understand that our Founders did the best they could with what they had. And for THAT time, it worked. But now, our technologies allow easy communication across the country and easy and timely tallying of votes, so the need for the electoral college system is no longer necessary.

If you want to argue truthfully, then the real argument should be whether a Republic is better than a Democracy. Historically, I'm not sure we have true examples of a Democracy, so not sure what we would compare to. Any history buffs want to tackle this?
  
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crepe05 wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:42am:
W are not a democracy.  We are a Republic.  I do wish that you had been taught that in school.  There is a difference; a very good difference for the voters.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/republic


in their infinite wisdom the leaders of the public school system have decided children no longer need recess or gym to get exercise and blow off steam (we have ritalin for those who get antsy), and we no longer need to learn the basics or about our country's founders (they were all racists)...children are better served to read my two daddies as part of grade K indoctrination...

  
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:50am:
Our founders also said that slavery was acceptable, but we changed that. Our founders said that women should not vote. We changed that too.

The fact that built into our original documents is the means to change them implies that the Founders intended the documents to be changed. That's just basic logic.

And why would they give us this ability, if not to adapt our governing laws to the times. The Judiciary branch is also a mechanism to adapt our original documents to the times. It asks the question, 'what did they intend, and is it applicable to now.'

Your problem, the far Right's problem, is that you see our founding documents to be like the Bible, immutable and perfect in its original state and intention. Well. Welcome to 2019. You don't stone your disobedient children like your Bible tells you to (Deuteronomy 21:18–21), because it is obviously inappropriate for today's time. So too, you should understand that our Founders did the best they could with what they had. And for THAT time, it worked. But now, our technologies allow easy communication across the country and easy and timely tallying of votes, so the need for the electoral college system is no longer necessary.

If you want to argue truthfully, then the real argument should be whether a Republic is better than a Democracy. Historically, I'm not sure we have true examples of a Democracy, so not sure what we would compare to. Any history buffs want to tackle this?


How would you judge whether or not a nation is a Democracy?  It depends upon what you want a govt to be.  Representative of the people; all of the people?  Representative of  very large groupings of people only?  At times, those two groups have very different needs that are not compatible with issues each other.  Our ff worked out a system where population wins at some point and at other times representative of a minority in numbers wins,  Very good system.

I believe it would be even better if we put term limits on our legislative branch, but that's another issue hopefully to be discussed at another time down the road.
  
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How would you judge whether or not a nation is a Democracy?  It depends upon what you want a govt to be.  Representative of the people; all of the people?  Representative of  very large groupings of people only?  At times, those two groups have very different needs that are not compatible with issues each other.  Our ff worked out a system where population wins at some point and at other times representative of a minority in numbers wins,  Very good system.

I believe it would be even better if we put term limits on our legislative branch, but that's another issue hopefully to be discussed at another time down the road.


These are appropriate questions to ask, and I'm not a scholar on either the history or legal consequences of going to a full democracy. What I can say is that Gerrymandering silences the voting rights of a huge number of American citizens on both sides of the aisle (but WAY more caused by your side). As a citizen, my vote should count, and if it does not, then there is something wrong with the system.

How we fix that is a good debate we should have. I am advocating Democracy over Republic, but it is just one of the tools in our toolchest. We can change existing laws to make things more representative, or make an elector HAVE to vote majority instead of going rogue, or term limits, as you suggest. These are all good ideas that should be explored.

But doing nothing is what it sounds like you are advocating, and that is not acceptable to me.
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 2:38pm
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There should be a Constiutional amendment or possibly several to change, update, and fix the electoral system:

An electoral college system is not needed.  We should move to a parliamentary like system where the executive is chosen by the legislature.
President's term limited to one five year block.

States should be prohibited from requiring all Congressional reps to vote in a certain way ( like all votes in the state being allocated to the winner of the popular vote in the state).

This would return a lot more power to the legislature, and the people would need to pay a lot more attention to their local politicians.

  

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