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The 2020 Democratic agenda: Take away your work-based healthcare
Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:21am
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The 2020 Democratic agenda: Take away your work-based healthcare

By: Sen. John Barrasso
September 12, 2019

American healthcare is known for two things: high quality and high costs.

When people in Wyoming and across the country talk with me about their healthcare, they don’t complain about the quality, but about how much they have to pay. The government estimates that by 2027 health spending will consume one out of every five dollars in people's pockets. Americans pay more for just about every healthcare product and service. It costs us more to see a doctor, more to fill a prescription, and more to stay in the hospital.

American insurance premiums are skyrocketing not because we use more healthcare, but because we have to pay a lot more for our care.

This despite Democrats’ repeated promises that former President Barack Obama’s healthcare law (misnamed as the Affordable Care Act) would control costs. On the contrary, between 2013 and 2017, average Obamacare premiums more than doubled. Working families are paying the price for Democrats’ failed healthcare law.

Now, less than a decade after the law’s passage, the same Washington Democrats who brought you Obamacare are admitting its failure. They are asking the public to trust them one more time to finally fix the cost problem.

Democrats running for president seem to hope that we have a collective case of amnesia.

Democratic candidates pretend to have substantive policy differences. While their presidential debates may make for good theater, we know Democrats only want one thing: more government control. That means more money coming out of everyone's pockets.

Don’t take my word for it. Just ask Sen. Bernie Sanders. He recently admitted: “Of course some people will pay more in taxes. Are people going to lose the private insurance that they have? Yeah.”

Sanders plans to spend an additional $32 trillion to implement his one-size-fits-all “Medicare for all” scheme. But first he wants to take away on-the-job health insurance from 180 million workers and their family members.

Former Vice President Joe Biden also wants to take away work-related health insurance benefits, just more gradually.He prefers to start by creating a new government-provided health insurance plan.


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Re: The 2020 Democratic agenda: Take away your work-based healthcare
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stu_gatze wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:21am:
The 2020 Democratic agenda: Take away your work-based healthcare

By: Sen. John Barrasso
September 12, 2019

American healthcare is known for two things: high quality and high costs.

When people in Wyoming and across the country talk with me about their healthcare, they don’t complain about the quality, but about how much they have to pay. The government estimates that by 2027 health spending will consume one out of every five dollars in people's pockets. Americans pay more for just about every healthcare product and service. It costs us more to see a doctor, more to fill a prescription, and more to stay in the hospital.

American insurance premiums are skyrocketing not because we use more healthcare, but because we have to pay a lot more for our care.

This despite Democrats’ repeated promises that former President Barack Obama’s healthcare law (misnamed as the Affordable Care Act) would control costs. On the contrary, between 2013 and 2017, average Obamacare premiums more than doubled. Working families are paying the price for Democrats’ failed healthcare law.

Now, less than a decade after the law’s passage, the same Washington Democrats who brought you Obamacare are admitting its failure. They are asking the public to trust them one more time to finally fix the cost problem.

Democrats running for president seem to hope that we have a collective case of amnesia.

Democratic candidates pretend to have substantive policy differences. While their presidential debates may make for good theater, we know Democrats only want one thing: more government control. That means more money coming out of everyone's pockets.

Don’t take my word for it. Just ask Sen. Bernie Sanders. He recently admitted: “Of course some people will pay more in taxes. Are people going to lose the private insurance that they have? Yeah.”

Sanders plans to spend an additional $32 trillion to implement his one-size-fits-all “Medicare for all” scheme. But first he wants to take away on-the-job health insurance from 180 million workers and their family members.

Former Vice President Joe Biden also wants to take away work-related health insurance benefits, just more gradually.He prefers to start by creating a new government-provided health insurance plan.


MORE>https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/the-2020-democratic-agenda-tak...


If my taxes are covering my healthcare, why would I ALSO want it taken out of my paycheck? I will gladly trade an increase in taxes that is smaller then that which is deducted from my paycheck for an identical/greater service.

You are paying either way, the difference is that with single payer, you pay less, have less hassle, and more options.

Where do I sign up?
  
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Re: The 2020 Democratic agenda: Take away your work-based healthcare
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yes...just ask anyone in canada, or europe...

or, just visit your local DMV to see gov't efficiency at work...
  
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Re: The 2020 Democratic agenda: Take away your work-based healthcare
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The worst thing about the leftwing socialized healthcare is government control.  Imagine if something like the DMV controlled everything about your healthcare.  What treatment you get.  What doctor you go to.  When you get cut off because of rationing.  Government control would gradually increase over time.  Now they're attacking the pharmaceutical companies just at the time when they're on the brink of historic innovations, like fighting cancer with the immune system and individually tailored meds based on your genetics.
  
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Re: The 2020 Democratic agenda: Take away your work-based healthcare
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Roe v Wade prevents the government from requiring people to be on government run health care. The basic tenet of Roe v Wade was the enforcement of a law that prevented abortions that were not medically necessary. In order for the government to enforce it, they would have to review the medical records for all women seeking an abortion. The SCOTUS declared that a violation of their 14th amendment rights.

If the government runs health care and forces everyone on to the same system, the government will control the services available on the plan. They will also have to review all medical records submitted for payment in order to approve payment. In practice, the government would be violating the same 14th amendment rights cited in Roe v Wade.

  

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petep wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 1:20pm:
yes...just ask anyone in canada, or europe...

or, just visit your local DMV to see gov't efficiency at work...


Most of the comments I hear from Canada and England are positive.

If our government is inefficient, then that is OUR fault, not its.

Your argument is that a government agency can NEVER be efficient, which is a blanket opinion of government itself. Sort of ironic, unless you are an anarchist, that you allow the government to do anything at all.
  
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Freon_Bale wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 1:43pm:
Most of the comments I hear from Canada and England are positive.

If our government is inefficient, then that is OUR fault, not its.

Your argument is that a government agency can NEVER be efficient, which is a blanket opinion of government itself. Sort of ironic, unless you are an anarchist, that you allow the government to do anything at all.


I have too many ex in-laws and have spent too much time in canada, as having worked for a canadian owned company for years to believe anything different.

I saw first hand how horrible their system is...when I was diagnosed with testicular cancer, my in laws at the time wanted to help...they said they could get me to canada's top urologist (they do the initial surgery), then you move to an oncologist...he was a good family friend, well known surgeon and prof at the university...

it all happened so fast...I spoke with him on the phone the night of same day (a tuesday) I had seen a primary and specialist here in the states on the same day...

he said the soonest I could see a doc would be 4 weeks out...then referred to a specialist, him, would be about 3 weeks if he sped it up...surgery could take place with 4 weeks, and if i needed chemo, it would start 4-8 weeks from that point...

so the next day in the states, wednesday, I was sent to the hospital for all blood work and scans...got the results and was told to bring them to the urologist...I did...he got everything and scheuduled my surgery thursday next day 7am...

I found out on a wednesday my cancer had spread to my retroparetenial lymph nodes, and I would need chemo, stay in the hospital, for 3 months...I started on monday...

now the pathology of the cancer I had, if you don't get on it within 4 -6 weeks its a death sentence...

thats why everyone on the testicular cancer forum, ia told if you are in canada or europe, get to the states as fast as you can...
  
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Re: The 2020 Democratic agenda: Take away your work-based healthcare
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Libertarians have also advocated for doing away with work-based healthcare.

We need private health care and private health insurance but it does not need to be tied to employment with tax incentives.
  

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TowardLiberty wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 2:15pm:
Libertarians have also advocated for doing away with work-based healthcare.

We need private health care and private health insurance but it does not need to be tied to employment with tax incentives.


true - car insurance, liability insurance, insurance on electronics...
  
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Re: The 2020 Democratic agenda: Take away your work-based healthcare
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petep wrote on Sep 12th, 2019 at 2:17pm:
true - car insurance, liability insurance, insurance on electronics...

Yep. It might have made sense to tie health insurance to employment back in the 50's when it was common to spend an entire career at one company. (but even then I think there were issues with this model)

But today people tend to switch jobs with far greater frequency. The old model seems antiquated.

Yes, pooling risk is a good thing but there's no reason the job site has to be the pool and often it results in higher costs for the younger or healthier employees, as they end up subsidizing the rest.

I'd rather join a pool of people with a similar health profile/ lifestyle. But the employer based health care model does not give that option.
  

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