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Anti-Government Protests in Iraq
Oct 3rd, 2019 at 2:52pm
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3 days in protests are continuing and death toll is rising...

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Death toll climbs, unrest spreads in Iraq in days of protests

BAGHDAD/HILLA, Iraq (Reuters) - Iraqi security forces opened fire on thousands of demonstrators who defied a curfew in Baghdad on Thursday and exchanged fire with gunmen in southern cities, bringing to 27 the death toll from three days of anti-government protests.

The protests spread to other cities in predominantly Shi’ite Muslim southern Iraq, where policemen said they increasingly encountered demonstrators carrying weapons...

The protests, in which more than 600 people have also been wounded, began over unemployment and poor services but have escalated into calls for a change of government and pose one of the worst security challenges in years in the war-weary country.

They appear to be independent of any political party and seemingly took the security forces by surprise...

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Re: Anti-Government Protests in Iraq
Reply #1 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 2:54pm
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- civil war may be starting there
  

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AP EXPLAINS: Iraq unrest comes at critical moment in region

BAGHDAD (AP) — The young men and women coordinated on social media. Fed up with an Iraqi political elite they blame for their many grievances, they agreed on a mass demonstration on Oct. 1.

They were met with bullets, water cannons and tear gas, plunging the country into renewed instability just as it was starting to emerge from a bloody war against the Islamic State group.

The response to the unrest has triggered ongoing confrontations with protesters across the country and has claimed the lives of more than 30 people in three days. Hundreds have been injured.

The turmoil in Iraq, a country central to America’s Middle East policy, comes at a critical moment in the region amid soaring tensions between Iran and the United States _ both allies of the Iraqi government. Iraq hosts thousands of U.S. troops and also is home to powerful Iranian-backed militias. There were already concerns the country was turning into a proxy battlefield between the two sides...

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Re: Anti-Government Protests in Iraq
Reply #3 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 8:59pm
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27 dead. I wonder if the Iraqi newspapers report in Chicago this way. Baghdad sounds safer.
  
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Re: Anti-Government Protests in Iraq
Reply #4 - Oct 3rd, 2019 at 9:12pm
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I thought Iraq had been quiet for some time. Maybe I wasn't paying attention. Now there are these ongoing protests about unemployment, which I suspect is partially due to the endemic characteristics of the locale rather than who controls the government. The Arab Spring was sparked by similar problems, and many places ended up worse off (Syria, Libya, Egypt) as a result of the overthrow of government.

When people rise up, in whatever proportion to the overall population, to overthrow a government, there seems to be a tendency to side with the revolutionaries. But aren't they sometimes in the wrong? If only 10% of a population starts to use violence to overthrow a government, and the government responds with violence to suppress the revolt, could we say that the revolutionaries are so small in number relative to the overall population that the government is right to use whatever means necessary to suppress them?

If 10% of the U.S. population started a violent revolution and the government responded with overwhelming force to stop them, would the government be wrong? What percentage do the revolutionaries have to have before we say their revolution is legitimate? Or is revolution always legitimate no matter how small the numbers?
  

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Re: Anti-Government Protests in Iraq
Reply #5 - Oct 4th, 2019 at 12:51pm
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The D-Man wrote on Oct 3rd, 2019 at 9:12pm:
I thought Iraq had been quiet for some time.

Between ISIS and anti-government protests, it hasn't been very quiet.

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The Arab Spring was sparked by similar problems, and many places ended up worse off (Syria, Libya, Egypt) as a result of the overthrow of government.

First, we'll never know how Egypt would've turned out, because we accepted a coup (a real one) and went back to our usual position of supporting Egyptian dictators. In Syria, we fueled the civil war through support for various groups, including some AQ affiliated groups, and are still playing around there. In Libya, we participated in bombing Gadaffi, going back on a deal we made with him.

Frankly, we are a contributing factor to instability in the Middle East. And we shouldn't pretend that we care about democracy there either, since our record clearly reflects otherwise.
  
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Re: Anti-Government Protests in Iraq
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Iraq’s uprising an open crisis with no known path forward

BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq has been plunged into a new cycle of instability that potentially could be the most dangerous this conflict-scarred nation has faced, barely two years after declaring victory over the Islamic State group in a war that left much of the country in ruins and displaced tens of thousands.

The latest bloody confrontations have killed more than 100 people in less than seven days. But this time, the clashes do not pit security forces against Islamic extremists, the country’s Sunnis against Shiites, or insurgents against occupation forces.

Instead, Iraqi security forces have been shooting at young Iraqis demanding jobs, electricity and clean water — and an end to corruption...

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