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Reply #20 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 6:35pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Oct 9th, 2019 at 4:39pm:
Really? I would love to see those numbers. I am 100% sure they will vindicate my statements. Can you link your post? Don't want you to have to find that data again.


I posted it in response to one of your comments...

you can see CA is not even in the top 10 for per capita GDP...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per_capita

and on diversity

https://www.homesnacks.net/most-diverse-states-in-america-128573/


and your statement of "absolute" that more diversity = more wealth is simply note true....see where the highest per capita GDP states fall on this diversity list.

now I know you are not very math, or science or data based, so manybe you are simply stating that CA has the largest economy of any state in the states....not taking into account population....if that is what you are claiming, then that is true...a useless data point in the context of what your position is.
  
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Reply #21 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 10:17pm
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petep wrote on Oct 9th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
I posted it in response to one of your comments...

you can see CA is not even in the top 10 for per capita GDP...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per_capita

and on diversity

https://www.homesnacks.net/most-diverse-states-in-america-128573/


and your statement of "absolute" that more diversity = more wealth is simply note true....see where the highest per capita GDP states fall on this diversity list.

now I know you are not very math, or science or data based, so manybe you are simply stating that CA has the largest economy of any state in the states....not taking into account population....if that is what you are claiming, then that is true...a useless data point in the context of what your position is.


My argument is that the most successful states are the ones that are also the most diverse.

And your counter-argument is that the states themselves might have a higher GDP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP), but per person, my assertion does not hold. Then how do you explain the parallel? Just chance?

I am saying the aggregate diversity is a benefit to the state. That all those differing perspectives, not just white christian ones, allow more creativity in business and culture. I am saying that those without the diversity are crippled in comparison.
  
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Reply #22 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 10:35pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Oct 9th, 2019 at 10:17pm:
My argument is that the most successful states are the ones that are also the most diverse.

And your counter-argument is that the states themselves might have a higher GDP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP), but per person, my assertion does not hold. Then how do you explain the parallel? Just chance?

I am saying the aggregate diversity is a benefit to the state. That all those differing perspectives, not just white christian ones, allow more creativity in business and culture. I am saying that those without the diversity are crippled in comparison.







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Reply #23 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 11:21pm
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Archie wrote on Oct 9th, 2019 at 10:35pm:






Best-Run States Are Low-Tax Republican, Worst-Run Are ...


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Jul 11, 2017 - Long-run solvency looks at a state's ability to meet longer-term spending commitments. ... Louisiana and West Virginia both dropped down in the 10-worst list, ... Of the 25 most-solvent states, all but four are solidly Republican.

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Freon_Bale wrote on Oct 9th, 2019 at 10:17pm:
My argument is that the most successful states are the ones that are also the most diverse.

And your counter-argument is that the states themselves might have a higher GDP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP), but per person, my assertion does not hold. Then how do you explain the parallel? Just chance?

I am saying the aggregate diversity is a benefit to the state. That all those differing perspectives, not just white christian ones, allow more creativity in business and culture. I am saying that those without the diversity are crippled in comparison.


Your argument is wrong and my data proves it...CA is the most populated and most diverse and isn't even in the top 10 for per capita GDP.

Your post simply shows the most populated states have a high nominal GDP and also the most populated states tend to have the most racial diversity. They also tend to have the largest land mass. Your data, nominal GDP, does not account for population. It's meaningless relative to your argument.
  
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petep wrote on Oct 10th, 2019 at 6:58am:
Your argument is wrong and my data proves it...CA is the most populated and most diverse and isn't even in the top 10 for per capita GDP.

Your post simply shows the most populated states have a high nominal GDP and also the most populated states tend to have the most racial diversity. They also tend to have the largest land mass. Your data, nominal GDP, does not account for population. It's meaningless relative to your argument.


My problem with using per capita is that without the standard deviation, the numbers are possibly meaningless. Does the per capita GDP reflect the average? the median? You can infer many different scenarios that would achieve that number.

But on another level, if we assume that diversity is a negative trait, as Jasmine for instance thinks, then shouldn't we see the most diverse states be at the bottom of the list? You say Cali 'isn't even in the top ten', yet it is number 12. Pretty amazing, considering the population and how much more expensive it is to live here.

I do not agree that your numbers conclusively refute my theory.
  
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Reply #27 - Oct 10th, 2019 at 12:52pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Oct 10th, 2019 at 10:38am:
My problem with using per capita is that without the standard deviation, the numbers are possibly meaningless. Does the per capita GDP reflect the average? the median? You can infer many different scenarios that would achieve that number.

But on another level, if we assume that diversity is a negative trait, as Jasmine for instance thinks, then shouldn't we see the most diverse states be at the bottom of the list? You say Cali 'isn't even in the top ten', yet it is number 12. Pretty amazing, considering the population and how much more expensive it is to live here.

I do not agree that your numbers conclusively refute my theory.


you are scrambling and pivoting...

But sense you brought it up, CA in not even in the top 10 for per capita GDP - which is an average....

what's perhaps 10x worse, is they rank almost towards the bottom for income inequality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_coefficient

Only a few states are worse....

which means clearly, the std deviation around the avg is wider where there is greater equality...in CA you are wealthy or poor, relative to other states...

you should stop now, as the more you keep shifting looking for other metrics, the data is clear...your original claim is not only false, its really false...
  
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Reply #28 - Oct 10th, 2019 at 1:46pm
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petep wrote on Oct 10th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
you are scrambling and pivoting...

But sense you brought it up, CA in not even in the top 10 for per capita GDP - which is an average....

what's perhaps 10x worse, is they rank almost towards the bottom for income inequality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_coefficient

Only a few states are worse....

which means clearly, the std deviation around the avg is wider where there is greater equality...in CA you are wealthy or poor, relative to other states...

you should stop now, as the more you keep shifting looking for other metrics, the data is clear...your original claim is not only false, its really false...


Not in the top 10? It's #12. That's still in the top 25% of all states, even WITH a disparity in incomes. Put another way, even if you are 'poor' in Cali, you are still doing better than 3 out of 4 citizens from other states.

You call that not successful?

How is that pivoting?
  
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Reply #29 - Oct 10th, 2019 at 3:09pm
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Freon_Bale wrote on Oct 10th, 2019 at 1:46pm:
Not in the top 10? It's #12. That's still in the top 25% of all states, even WITH a disparity in incomes. Put another way, even if you are 'poor' in Cali, you are still doing better than 3 out of 4 citizens from other states.

You call that not successful?

How is that pivoting?


Man you pivot a lot...you made a simple claim, again and again...CA is the most successful state and it is that way due to its diversity...its not the most successful state per capita (which is what matters to people), and the most successful are not necessarily the most diverse...

then you go on to say well, it is number 12, so somehow you leap to some conclusion that even CA poor are better off than others...

do you just make this stuff up???

freon, I've said it before, you just don't know when to quit...or simply acknowledge you do not know what you are talking about...

lets look at poverty rates, since you made yet another claim, that CA's poor are better off than 3/4ts of the country's poor...here are the facts and data, adjusted by cost of living where you live....

ahhh...look, CA has the highest supplemental (adjusted) rate of poverty in the country...by a long shot...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_poverty_rat...

maybe we should be asking why that is.....
  
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