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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #10 - Nov 6th, 2019 at 11:46pm
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So, is there a deep state within the government or is the government the deep state. I say the latter.
  

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #11 - Nov 6th, 2019 at 11:48pm
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Hair Looms From The Attic wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 11:46pm:
So, is there a deep state within the government or is the government the deep state. I say the latter.


That's why a more accurate designator would be "permanent state" IMO.  First heard that about eight years ago on .... MSNBC.

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #12 - Nov 6th, 2019 at 11:49pm
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Queshank wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 11:48pm:
That's why a more accurate designator would be "permanent state" IMO.  First heard that about eight years ago on .... MSNBC.

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Perhaps that's why the longer the people work in a department the slower that departments runs.
  

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #13 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:13am
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Queshank wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 11:48pm:
That's why a more accurate designator would be "permanent state" IMO.  First heard that about eight years ago on .... MSNBC.

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Is CVS a "permanent corporation" because their structure and people persist from CEO to CEO? Such an ominous term! "Permanent state".

We are to believe that simply by PERSISTING OVER TIME, the "permanent state" is a force for evil and outside of all control.

In any event, because our country persists and doesn't collapse into a primal stew of slime after each election, we would assume that the various parts of the govt necessary for continuity would.....(wait for it).....continue. And we would further assume that the buck stops with the elected officials tasked to put oversight, controls and safeguards in place to make sure that the federal govt acts according to stated policy and expectations.

Some people have an incredibly strong need for it to be a fact that there is a secret govt within the govt, totally out of control and engaging in endless evil, endless war, human sacrifice, etc. These people need that enemy, because the boring truth of the matter is our elected officials own it. But with an evil entity secretly pulling the strings, it takes away responsibility and it enables us to justify all kinds of bullshit in the name of fighting the Deep StateTM.
  

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Reply #14 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:15am
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Hair Looms From The Attic wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 11:49pm:
Perhaps that's why the longer the people work in a department the slower that departments runs.

Only if those people are not held accountable by their management.
  

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #15 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:25am
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Vypr wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:13am:
Roll Eyes

Is CVS a "permanent corporation" because their structure and people persist from CEO to CEO? Such an ominous term! "Permanent state".

We are to believe that simply by PERSISTING OVER TIME, the "permanent state" is a force for evil and outside of all control.

In any event, because our country persists and doesn't collapse into a primal stew of slime after each election, we would assume that the various parts of the govt necessary for continuity would.....(wait for it).....continue. And we would further assume that the buck stops with the elected officials tasked to put oversight, controls and safeguards in place to make sure that the federal govt acts according to stated policy and expectations.

Some people have an incredibly strong need for it to be a fact that there is a secret govt within the govt, totally out of control and engaging in endless evil, endless war, human sacrifice, etc. These people need that enemy, because the boring truth of the matter is our elected officials own it. But with an evil entity secretly pulling the strings, it takes away responsibility and it enables us to justify all kinds of bullshit in the name of fighting the Deep StateTM.


lol

I love how you go all conspiracy theory on what's just a term for career bureaucrats doing what people do ... looking out for their self interests.

Notice how you dodged a huge post about those career bureaucrats lying and manipulating the American people and breaking the law so you could focus in on your own triggering about the "deep state."  I sure did.

BTW the first person I heard use the term was Jeffrey Sachs.  Look him up.  Ask yourself if he fits the "conspiracy theory" mold you're trying to shape here.

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #16 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:28am
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Hair Looms From The Attic wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 11:49pm:
Perhaps that's why the longer the people work in a department the slower that departments runs.


I think the more likely "perhaps" is "perhaps that's why these people are so vociferously defending their own poor judgment and bad decisions at every opportunity."

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #17 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:34am
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But anyway, while Vypr's out baying at the moon.

James Clapper is another grotesque hero to the left these days.  What's he been up to?  I mean aside from being a National Security Analyst over there at CNN.

James Clapper's perjury, and why DC made men don't get charged for lying to Congress - USA Today - Jan 19, 2018

Former National Intelligence Director James Clapper is about celebrate one of the most important anniversaries of his life. March 13th will be the fifth anniversary of his commission of open perjury before the Senate Intelligence Committee. More importantly, it also happens to be when the statute of limitations runs out — closing any possibility of prosecution for Clapper.

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Even in a city with a notoriously fluid notion of truth, Clapper’s false testimony was a standout. Clapper appeared before the Senate to discuss surveillance programs in the midst of a controversy over warrantless surveillance of the American public. He was asked directly, “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions, or hundreds of millions of Americans?” There was no ambiguity or confusion and Clapper responded, “No, sir. … Not wittingly.” That was a lie and Clapper knew it when he said it.

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Later, Clapper said that his testimony was “the least untruthful” statement he could make. That would still make it a lie of course but Clapper is a made guy. While feigned shock and disgust, most Democratic leaders notably did not call for his prosecution. Soon Clapper was back testifying and former president Obama even put Clapper on a federal panel to review the very programs that he lied about in Congress.

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Clapper will establish a standard that will be hard to overcome in the future. He lied about a massive, unconstitutional surveillance program and then admitted that he made an “untruthful” statement. That would seem to satisfy the most particular prosecutor in submitting a case to a grand jury, but this is Washington.


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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #18 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:51am
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Been railing against the government for years.

Deep state, permanent state...it's simply the bureaucracy.

  

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #19 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 3:29am
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The thing about Trump is he emerged as a total outsider. most other people running for the presidency is deep embedded in the status quo. He said he didn't want to do things like they've been done for decades. He has but he said he wouldn't and he pokes a finger in the government daily. They just can't have that. He's got to go and that Russian spy named Tulsi needs to be dealt with.

We need never ending wars to fund never ending bank accounts.

It's all about money.
  

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