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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #40 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:52am
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Fiddler wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:45am:
Say Q..?   Will you turn this upside down for me. ?   . .

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I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think there was a 2nd gunman at Kennedy's assassination.  Get back to me when you've got your thoughts in order.

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #41 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:56am
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Queshank wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:39am:
Don't you think that's an ironic point to try to make in a thread that's literally all about how untrustworthy the "established processes" are?

It's clear he has people within the administration willing to pursue this, including his AG. So, no, I don't find it that ironic.

If this is all above board, then follow the rules.
  
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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #42 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:57am
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Demos wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:56am:
It's clear he has people within the administration willing to pursue this, including his AG. So, no, I don't find it that ironic.

If this is all above board, then follow the rules.


And it's also clear he has people within the administration looking to block an investigation into Joe Biden.  So, I do find your stance very ironic.

"Follow the rules" lol.

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #43 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:01am
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Queshank wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:57am:
"Follow the rules" lol.


There's a lot of ways to interpret that.  If I was talking to Wads or Fiddler or Vypr or the rest of the nutty, uninformed crowd, I'd let it sit and enjoy the ways they take it.  But I'll explain in more detail for you Demos.

The "rules" are designed to protect "made" guys.

That's in this thread too if you noticed.

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #44 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:02am
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Queshank wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 10:57am:
And it's also clear he has people within the administration looking to block an investigation into Joe Biden. 

Such as?

According to the treaty, this process can be initiated by the AG, so have him do it. This isn't Sessions you're dealing with any more.

What you don't do is have Rudy Giuliani - your personal attorney - back-dooring this stuff and circumventing all legal processes. And Rudy's tweets aren't helping the perception of this either.
  
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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #45 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:09am
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Demos wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:02am:
Such as?


I believe we're seeing them line up to speak their minds right now.

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According to the treaty, this process can be initiated by the AG, so have him do it. This isn't Sessions you're dealing with any more.


So Barr would be the only person involved then, you're arguing?

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #46 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:12am
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AG Barr is destroying the Justice Department. The lawyers working there just staged an insurrection - Daily KOS - July, 2019

The insurrection was actually quite dramatic and spectacular. First, an initial round of career attorneys withdrew from the citizenship cases in California and Maryland. Then two more attorneys also wanted a public record of their exit from the Maryland case. And then they all wanted off the case in New York, too.

"Never seen anything like this," Katyal added.


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Reply #47 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:13am
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Queshank wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:09am:
I believe we're seeing them line up to speak their minds right now.

I'm honestly not paying a yuge amount of attention to all of this. The process arguments here interest me, but I'm trying to tune out a lot of the noise/static. So, I'm not aware of any administration officials lining up opposed to this.

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So Barr would be the only person involved then, you're arguing?

Even if he's not, look at how he's running the Justice Department right now. It's doing things that weren't happening under Sessions, Rosenstein, or whoever that acting joker was.
  
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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #48 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:20am
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Demos wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:13am:
I'm honestly not paying a yuge amount of attention to all of this. The process arguments here interest me, but I'm trying to tune out a lot of the noise/static. So, I'm not aware of any administration officials lining up opposed to this.


You're moving the goalposts tho.  Now it's not Justice Department officials, it's "administration" officials?

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Even if he's not, look at how he's running the Justice Department right now. It's doing things that weren't happening under Sessions, Rosenstein, or whoever that acting joker was.


Like "career" officials resigning rather than going along with Barr's directives?

Do you think "career" officials in the Justice Department are any happier with Trump than "career" officials in the State Department?

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #49 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:23am
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Queshank wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:20am:
You're moving the goalposts tho.  Now it's not Justice Department officials, it's "administration" officials?

I believe I started out my comments saying administration officials, so not sure how I'm moving the goal posts.

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Like "career" officials resigning rather than going along with Barr's directives?

Isn't that what you would want here? For people who won't do the job to leave? And if they're leaving, that would seem to weaken the argument that there are people around to obstruct what we're talking about here.
  
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