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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #50 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:11pm
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Demos wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 11:23am:
I believe I started out my comments saying administration officials, so not sure how I'm moving the goal posts.


Because you started a discussion about the Justice Department.  Regardless whether that was your intent.

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Isn't that what you would want here? For people who won't do the job to leave? And if they're leaving, that would seem to weaken the argument that there are people around to obstruct what we're talking about here.


There are nearly 120,000 people working for the Justice Department.  Is it your contention that everyone that disagrees with Barr and Trump has resigned? 

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Reply #51 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:39pm
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The Honorable Intelligence Community that has lied us into wars unauthorized by the legislature, killing millions who were of no threat to the American people.

That community can’t sit idly by while immense evil like a Ukrainian investigation into obvious corrupt behavior goes on. They will heroically stop it, because that’s what Intelligence Agencies do.

They tell the truth and act with honor, as McLaughlin says above.
  

Wadsworth wrote on Sep 19th, 2019 at 3:31pm:
We are talking about this government, aren't we?  If we were any other kind of government like China or NK, we would not even be having this discussion because you would not even be allowed to own a gun. 


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By all accounts Syria was somewhat calm.
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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #52 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:46pm
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Queshank wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:11pm:
Because you started a discussion about the Justice Department.  Regardless whether that was your intent.

If we go back to my first reply, it was about the administration generally.

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There are nearly 120,000 people working for the Justice Department.  Is it your contention that everyone that disagrees with Barr and Trump has resigned? 

Is it your contention that all 120k need to be involved in this process?
  
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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #53 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:49pm
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Demos wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:46pm:
If we go back to my first reply, it was about the administration generally.

Is it your contention that all 120k need to be involved in this process?


It's my contention that you only need one to derail an investigation.  How 'bout the power of that whistleblower amirite?

How 'bout the power of those multiple CIA directors lying to Congress and facing no consequences but instead being rewarded with paid positions to defend their lies, amirite?

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #54 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:54pm
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I wonder when someone will make the connection between George HW Bush being a former CIA director and the lies that were told both to Congress and the American people to justify our first intervention in Iraq.

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Reply #55 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 1:38pm
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Queshank wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 12:49pm:
It's my contention that you only need one to derail an investigation.  How 'bout the power of that whistleblower amirite?

The whistleblower came about because the administration wasn't following the legal process. I don't think its incredible to suggest that if the rules were followed, that this wouldn't have gotten to where it is right now.

If you're following the rules, and circle is small, derailing a legitimate corruption investigation becomes increasingly difficult.

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How 'bout the power of those multiple CIA directors lying to Congress and facing no consequences but instead being rewarded with paid positions to defend their lies, amirite?

Who are no longer in a position to actually derail anything (they can carp sure). He has his own pick for CIA director (of course she's a liar too, but she's Trump's lying CIA director pick, as was Pompeo before her).
  
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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #56 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 1:47pm
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Demos wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 1:38pm:
The whistleblower came about because the administration wasn't following the legal process. I don't think its incredible to suggest that if the rules were followed, that this wouldn't have gotten to where it is right now.

If you're following the rules, and circle is small, derailing a legitimate corruption investigation becomes increasingly difficult.


Who should the Trump administration include in that "small circle?"  What are the odds of the anonymous op ed writer being in the circle?

Just from what we've already learned publicly about the Trump administration, I don't think it would have mattered if the rules were followed or not ... there would have been someone "leaking" it to the news and the odds are pretty damn good we'd be right where we are now.  Does it look worse than it needs to?  Yes.  But is it the same thing our government has done vis a vis foreign policy for the past 100 years?  Also yes.

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Who are no longer in a position to actually derail anything (they can carp sure). He has his own pick for CIA director (of course she's a liar too, but she's Trump's lying CIA director pick, as was Pompeo before her).


The point is there's a different set of "rules" for made guys.  I was mocking the idea that the "rules" should be followed.  Not suggesting ex CIA directors still have influence in the Trump administration.  (Altho they do.)

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Reply #57 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 1:51pm
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Queshank wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 1:47pm:
Who should the Trump administration include in that "small circle?"  What are the odds of the anonymous op ed writer being in the circle?

Pretty much the same circle of people who were already involved: Sondland, Pompeo, Barr. All of them have official positions within the administration, and they could have triggered this process, i.e., a corruption investigation conducted by Ukraine.

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Just from what we've already learned publicly about the Trump administration, I don't think it would have mattered if the rules were followed or not ... there would have been someone "leaking" it...

Leaked it? Why would there need to be a leak? Trump would've tweeted about it in all caps.

  
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Reply #58 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 3:16pm
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Demos wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 1:51pm:
Pretty much the same circle of people who were already involved: Sondland, Pompeo, Barr. All of them have official positions within the administration, and they could have triggered this process, i.e., a corruption investigation conducted by Ukraine.


None of them have staff?

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Leaked it? Why would there need to be a leak? Trump would've tweeted about it in all caps.


Trump's willingness to publicly discuss things he's doing are one of the things that work in his favor in this situation IMO.

(See that leftists?  IMO.  Opinions are opinions.  Not facts.)

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Re: The Permanent State and the Intelligence Community are Dangerous
Reply #59 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 3:51pm
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Queshank wrote on Nov 8th, 2019 at 3:16pm:
None of them have staff?

Yes, their staff, whom they pick and who are typically people they've worked with previously and have personal loyalties with.
  
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