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Where is this whistleblower law
Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:51am
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That our wacky emotional left friends keep citing, and who specifically is bound by the law.

I suspect there is come chain and people within the chain who are privy to the identity are bound. I also suspect no one else is bound. If I knew would I be bound?
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:53am
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petep wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:51am:
That our wacky emotional left friends keep citing, and who specifically is bound by the law.

I suspect there is come chain and people within the chain who are privy to the identity are bound. I also suspect no one else is bound. If I knew would I be bound?


Ask Republian Grassly, it was his signature legislation, along with other Republicans, who wanted to strengthen it for this very reason.
  

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Lane65 wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 11:53am:
Ask Republian Grassly, it was his signature legislation, along with other Republicans, who wanted to strengthen it for this very reason.


I think their reason for the law was to protect whistleblowers from retribution, not to keep information hidden that might impact important decisions.

We have two interests here that are in conflict:
1. Protecting a whistleblower from retribution.
2. Revealing all information that might impact important decisions.

Because these interests are in conflict, we have to choose which one has higher priority. I would say that making fully informed decisions has a higher priority than protecting a whistleblower from retribution, especially when the decision is important. Plus, subsequent to revealing the whistleblower's identity, he can still be protected from retribution in other ways, so the first interest is not completely sacrificed for the sake of the second interest.
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:24pm
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The D-Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:02pm:
I think their reason for the law was to protect whistleblowers from retribution, not to keep information hidden that might impact important decisions.

We have two interests here that are in conflict:
1. Protecting a whistleblower from retribution.
2. Revealing all information that might impact important decisions.

Because these interests are in conflict, we have to choose which one has higher priority. I would say that making fully informed decisions has a higher priority than protecting a whistleblower from retribution, especially when the decision is important. Plus, subsequent to revealing the whistleblower's identity, he can still be protected from retribution in other ways, so the first interest is not completely sacrificed for the sake of the second interest.


That's your personal opinion, whereas, the very Republican's who enacted this law disagree with you, and why the whistleblower is not being uncovered.  They  believe getting to "the truth" is more important than outing or penalizing a citizen for coming forward and exposing anyone, including the US President, who may be thinking about or is actively engaging in a crime.

What if the whistleblower is a Republican?  Would that change your view or how you perceive this process?
  

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Reply #4 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:31pm
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Lane65 wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:24pm:
That's your personal opinion, whereas, the very Republican's who enacted this law disagree with you, and why the whistleblower is not being uncovered.  They  believe getting to "the truth" is more important than outing or penalizing a citizen for coming forward and exposing anyone, including the US President, who may be thinking about or is actively engaging in a crime.

What if the whistleblower is a Republican?  Would that change your view or how you perceive this process?


In this case, there is a truth that may impact the outcome of important decisions, and so that truth is important to know, and that truth is the identity of the whistleblower. And so if getting to the truth is more important than the security of the whistleblower (which can still be protected even if his identity is revealed), then the identity of the whistleblower should be revealed.

Since we do not know who the whistleblower is, we do not know what effect it might have on the outcome. But there is a chance that it may have an effect on the outcome, and so we should not make the decision without that information. Whatever it turns out to be, let the chips fall where they may.
  

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The D-Man wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:31pm:
In this case, there is a truth that may impact the outcome of important decisions, and so that truth is important to know, and that truth is the identity of the whistleblower. And so if getting to the truth is more important than the security of the whistleblower (which can still be protected even if his identity is revealed), then the identity of the whistleblower should be revealed.

Since we do not know who the whistleblower is, we do not know what effect it might have on the outcome. But there is a chance that it may have an effect on the outcome, and so we should not make the decision without that information. Whatever it turns out to be, let the chips fall where they may.


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Demos wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:34pm:


Sounds like as soon as the whistleblower conspired with dem Schiff workers he was outside the chain of the intel community. The protectionsnoffered are only if one stays within the intel group per the second link.
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:56pm
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petep wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:46pm:
Sounds like as soon as the whistleblower conspired with dem Schiff workers he was outside the chain of the intel community. The protectionsnoffered are only if one stays within the intel group per the second link.



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petep wrote on Nov 7th, 2019 at 12:46pm:
Sounds like as soon as the whistleblower conspired with dem Schiff workers he was outside the chain of the intel community. The protectionsnoffered are only if one stays within the intel group per the second link.


Do you, or those who are stating this have substantiated facts or proof?  If so, they are free to file a complaint with the IG who will be the appropriate agency to determine its validity or truthfulness.  That's how the system works.
  

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