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Mark Ruffalo: Capitalism is killing us. It's time for an economic revolution.
Dec 1st, 2019 at 8:48pm
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I don't know who this guy is. Apparently he's an actor. He got 12K likes for this tweet. It's a growing movement. Good luck stopping it.

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It’s time for an economic revolution. Capitalism today is failing us, killing us, and robbing from our children’s future.

--Mark Ruffalo

https://twitter.com/MarkRuffalo/status/1201176660252475392


  

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Re: Mark Ruffalo: Capitalism is killing us. It's time for an economic revolution.
Reply #1 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 8:58pm
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He’s the guy who plays the Hulk in the Marvel movies. The capitalist system he hates so much helped him to make millions of dollars.
  


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Reply #2 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 9:10pm
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What is so intrinsically sacrosanct about capitalism?

It is no more self-regulating than predator-prey relationships in nature.

We can do better.
  
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Re: Mark Ruffalo: Capitalism is killing us. It's time for an economic revolution.
Reply #3 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 9:34pm
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Little Lulu wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 9:10pm:
What is so intrinsically sacrosanct about capitalism?

It is no more self-regulating than predator-prey relationships in nature.

We can do better.


One difference between a predator-prey relationship and capitalism is that in the former, the predator takes from the prey what the prey is unwilling to give, while in capitalism, the seller takes only what the buyer gives willingly.
  

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The D-Man wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 9:34pm:
One difference between a predator-prey relationship and capitalism is that in the former, the predator takes from the prey what the prey is unwilling to give, while in capitalism, the seller takes only what the buyer gives willingly.


Not really.

Say a human is starving. Capitalists have driven up the prices of basic foods such that the human cannot afford to buy any food. Is that human willing to give up his life to the capitalists?

Nope. The human is forced into the situation.
  

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Tiberius wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 9:40pm:
Not really.

Say a human is starving. Capitalists have driven up the prices of basic foods such that the human cannot afford to buy any food. Is that human willing to give up his life to the capitalists?

Nope. The human is forced into the situation.


But not forced by the capitalist. He is forced by his biology.
  

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The D-Man wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 9:45pm:
But not forced by the capitalist. He is forced by his biology.


Bullshit.

And a deer is not forced by biology to be killed an eaten by a cougar?

Your analogy is as defective as the rest of your neo-nazi philosophy.

  

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Reply #7 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 9:58pm
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Tiberius wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 9:50pm:
Bullshit.

And a deer is not forced by biology to be killed an eaten by a cougar?

Your analogy is as defective as the rest of your neo-nazi philosophy.



In that case, it is the cougar that kills the deer or takes its life. In the case of someone who starves without food, it is their biological need for food that kills them. The capitalist is not responsible for that. Nature is. The capitalist does not take anything away from the starving man the way the cougar does the deer.

Rather, instead of taking, the capitalist has something he can give to the starving man to save him from a biological predicament, which the capitalist is not responsible for, but he chooses to give it only willingly in exchange for what the man is willing to give for it.

So both parties in capitalism are free with regard to each other, which is not the case in a predator-prey relationship. However, no party is ever free from the biological predicament presented by being alive. And there is really no one we can blame for that predicament.
  

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Re: Mark Ruffalo: Capitalism is killing us. It's time for an economic revolution.
Reply #8 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 10:13pm
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For the first time in human history, ending extreme poverty is within our reach.

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According to the most recent estimates, in 2013, 10.7 percent of the world's population lived at or below $1.90 a day. That's down from 35 percent in 1990 and 44 percent in 1981.
https://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/poverty/

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“Over the last 25 years, more than a billion people have lifted themselves out of extreme poverty, and the global poverty rate is now lower than it has ever been in recorded history. This is one of the greatest human achievements of our time,” World Bank Group President Jim Yong Kim said.
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2018/09/19/decline-of-global-ext...

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Sine 1800 the ability of humans to feed and clothe and educate themselves, even as the number of humans increased by an astonishing factor of seven, has risen, per human, by an even more astounding factor of ten. Do the math, then, of total production. We humans now produce and consume 70 times more goods and services worldwide than in 1800. Some people view this figure with alarm and speak of an environmental degradation. But the news if mainly good. With seventy times more production, no wonder we can cultivate new economies of scale and reap their benefits through free trade. And now wonder we can harness the ingenuity of the larger population to get better antibiotics and better automobiles. No wonder we can clean up the air and the water, and turn forests into nature preserves.

In the best-run countries, such as France or Japan or Finland, all of which are which not so long ago were $3-a-day poor, real income per person, conventionally measured, has by now increased to roughly $100 a day. Income has risen, that is, not by 30 percent but by a factor 30, which is to say many hundred of percent.
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Capitalism has provided a fantastic context for improvements in technological progress and living standards. Incomes have risen 3000% since 1800 as a result- something never before seen in human history.

And people ask "What is so intrinsically sacrosanct about capitalism?"

You might as well ask, "What is so intrinsically sacrosanct about human happiness and welfare?" or "What is so intrinsically sacrosanct about reducing suffering?"
  

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Re: Mark Ruffalo: Capitalism is killing us. It's time for an economic revolution.
Reply #9 - Dec 1st, 2019 at 10:16pm
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TowardLiberty wrote on Dec 1st, 2019 at 10:13pm:
For the first time in human history, ending extreme poverty is within our reach.

https://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/poverty/

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2018/09/19/decline-of-global-ext...

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Capitalism has provided a fantastic context for improvements in technological progress and living standards. Incomes have risen 3000% since 1800 as a result- something never before seen in human history.

And people ask "What is so intrinsically sacrosanct about capitalism?"

You might as well ask, "What is so intrinsically sacrosanct about human happiness and welfare?" or "What is so intrinsically sacrosanct about reducing suffering?"


You are pushing a logical fallacy: correlation proves causation.

There is no proof that unrestrained capitalism results in reduced suffering or increases overall happiness. It is a pipe dream of impractical people.

  
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