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Fire Victims Could Get Bill From FEMA Over Bankrupt Utility's $4 Billion Debt
Jan 13th, 2020 at 4:15pm
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California Fire Victims Could Get Bill From FEMA Over Bankrupt Utility's $4 Billion Debt

Leave it to Trump to try to punish the victims of a devastating fire.

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Federal officials are prepared to bill wildfire victims for a portion of the nearly $4 billion the government says it’s owed by Pacific Gas & Electric Co., if the debt isn’t resolved as part of the utility’s bankruptcy case, according to a newspaper report Sunday.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has asked for reimbursement from PG&E to cover costs from the government’s response to destructive fires in 2015, 2017 and 2018. Under PG&E’s current plan to resolve its bankruptcy, any payment to FEMA would have to come from the $13.5 billion the utility intends to reserve primarily to settle claims from wildfire victims, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

Victims’ lawyers are fighting FEMA’s claim, which would take up nearly 30% of the settlement. But FEMA told the Chronicle it is compelled to seek compensation from PG&E. Otherwise, individual victims would be responsible if they get settlement funds that duplicate money already paid by the federal government, according to Bob Fenton, the agency’s regional administrator...

FEMA’s efforts also have drawn criticism from James Lee Witt, a former director of the agency, who told the Santa Rosa Press Democrat newspaper last month that it was an “unusual” and “inappropriate” request.


  

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Re: Fire Victims Could Get Bill From FEMA Over Bankrupt Utility's $4 Billion Debt
Reply #1 - Jan 13th, 2020 at 8:57pm
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Little Lulu wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 4:15pm:


I don't know how you see it as a punishment to tell folks that they have to pay back benefits if they are duplicated by benefits received from other sources.  As in, if your roof was damaged and FEMA paid you money for the cost to fix it, then you get a settlement from your insurance or PG&E for the cost, you shouldn't hang on to the government funds AND the settlement money.

The congress well before Trump understood that when they required that this be done. 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/5155

Interestingly, the governor can request a waiver of this requirement.  Has the California governor made such a request?
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 13th, 2020 at 10:22pm
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Once again Useless abandons one of his threads.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 13th, 2020 at 11:09pm
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The Joe Mengele Quartet wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 10:22pm:
Once again Useless abandons one of his threads.


What are you bitching about now, young lady?
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2020 at 11:17pm
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I don't know how you see it as a punishment to tell folks that they have to pay back benefits if they are duplicated by benefits received from other sources.  As in, if your roof was damaged and FEMA paid you money for the cost to fix it, then you get a settlement from your insurance or PG&E for the cost, you shouldn't hang on to the government funds AND the settlement money.

The congress well before Trump understood that when they required that this be done. 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/5155

Interestingly, the governor can request a waiver of this requirement.  Has the California governor made such a request?


Then why does the former head of FEMA say it's "inappropriate"?

The problem isn't with funds that FEMA may already have paid victims. That is just a small amount of the 4 billion bill that FEMA is trying to collect. Rather, it's that FEMA is trying to get PG&E to pay out of its settlement fund that amount of aid that FEMA provided to local governmental entities, like fire districts etc. This will reduce the total amount of the settlement fund by 30%, which means there will be that much less to pay the victims for their losses, which have not already been paid by anybody.

Duh you fell for a typical Trump tactic: Sue everyone in sight and pick off the weakest.

Shameful.

It also brings up another question: what the fvck is FEMA for, except to provide aid to the victims - both individual and governmental - of disasters like these?

  

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Little Lulu wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 11:17pm:
Then why does the former head of FEMA say it's "inappropriate"?

The problem isn't with funds that FEMA may already have paid victims. That is just a small amount of the 4 billion bill that FEMA is trying to collect. Rather, it's that FEMA is trying to get PG&E to pay out of its settlement fund that amount of aid that FEMA provided to local governmental entities, like fire districts etc. This will reduce the total amount of the settlement fund by 30%, which means there will be that much less to pay the victims for their losses, which have not already been paid by anybody.

Duh you fell for a typical Trump tactic: Sue everyone in sight and pick off the weakest.

Shameful.

It also brings up another question: what the fvck is FEMA for, except to provide aid to the victims - both individual and governmental - of disasters like these?



The state of California, one of the largest economies in the world, larger than the vast majority of countries, should be able to handle this on it's own.
  

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Lomelis wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 1:44am:
The state of California, one of the largest economies in the world, larger than the vast majority of countries, should be able to handle this on it's own.


More gratuitous California bashing.

Ignorant people do it because they don't realize California subsidizes their little shit hole states.


  

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Reply #7 - Jan 14th, 2020 at 2:11am
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Little Lulu wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 1:52am:
More gratuitous California bashing.

Ignorant people do it because they don't realize California subsidizes their little shit hole states.




Our state pays more, barely.  Everything is borrowed on the federal level.

The fact that we can't handle our own state means a lot.

We can't even build a damn railroad anymore without it becoming a fiasco.

Can't maintain our levies.  Shipping all the fresh water to LA.  Can't build new infrastructure.  Schools ranked near the worst.  Some of the highest taxes.  Seriously wtf? 

People have forgotten that if you live in a drought prone area then you need to clear the brush and the natural grass that dies every summer away from your home.  Hello duh.   Millions of people that don't understand the local ecology.

Tons of money comes into the state coffers.  Problem is it is wasted on bullshit.
  

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Wadsworth wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 9:18am:
Regulations are designed to protect the consumer and the worker.  If it doesn’t,it is not a regulation.



"Watched it.  A shotgun is for long ranged shooting.  That is why hunters like them.  An AR-15 is not.  That video was misleading.
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Re: Fire Victims Could Get Bill From FEMA Over Bankrupt Utility's $4 Billion Debt
Reply #8 - Jan 14th, 2020 at 4:36am
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Lomelis wrote on Jan 14th, 2020 at 2:11am:
Our state pays more, barely.  Everything is borrowed on the federal level.

The fact that we can't handle our own state means a lot.

We can't even build a damn railroad anymore without it becoming a fiasco.

Can't maintain our levies.  Shipping all the fresh water to LA.  Can't build new infrastructure.  Schools ranked near the worst.  Some of the highest taxes.  Seriously wtf? 

People have forgotten that if you live in a drought prone area then you need to clear the brush and the natural grass that dies every summer away from your home.  Hello duh.   Millions of people that don't understand the local ecology.

Tons of money comes into the state coffers.  Problem is it is wasted on bullshit.


So much to correct, so little time...

The Paradise fire was not the result of not clipping dry grass around homes. The surrounding forest caught fire from downed powerlines (high wind) and the conflagration went roaring up to the hilltop community. Taking care of dry grass and raking the forest floor isn't much good when the wind blows burning embers a mile to land on houses and other trees.

Apparently you don't know what happened there.

As for California sending more to DC than it gets back, in 2015 California sent $410 billion to DC. It got back $393 billion. That $17 billion that California gifted the rest of the nation is about $4 billion greater than the total cost of the PG&E bankruptcy, and it's about four times the bill that Trump's FEMA wants to slap on the state. If anything, Trump's administration should be refunding California.



  

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Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2020 at 10:14pm
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Little Lulu wrote on Jan 13th, 2020 at 11:17pm:
Then why does the former head of FEMA say it's "inappropriate"?


You will have to ask them.  I am not going to try to explain why someone I know nothing about has said what they said.

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The problem isn't with funds that FEMA may already have paid victims. That is just a small amount of the 4 billion bill that FEMA is trying to collect. Rather, it's that FEMA is trying to get PG&E to pay out of its settlement fund that amount of aid that FEMA provided to local governmental entities, like fire districts etc. This will reduce the total amount of the settlement fund by 30%, which means there will be that much less to pay the victims for their losses, which have not already been paid by anybody.


Taking the money due to FEMA out of the victim settlement fund is PG&E's idea.  Not FEMA's.

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Duh you fell for a typical Trump tactic: Sue everyone in sight and pick off the weakest.


PG&E is at fault.  They are responsible for the cost.  Why should everyday Americans pay, through their taxes, the costs incurred by PG&E?

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Shameful.


Shameful is putting PG&E's costs on the backs of tax payers.

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It also brings up another question: what the fvck is FEMA for, except to provide aid to the victims - both individual and governmental - of disasters like these?



To provide management and coordination services in response to emergency situations ahead of the transition to long term recovery solutions.
  
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